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jamesjedi
I was wondering if anyone knows it or has looked at it? Thanks

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-car...oller-sale.html
carr914
I know a little about it. Ken the owner was very active in our Region in the late 80s & early 90s. Then about 10 years ago he got the racing bug and bought 4 or 5 cars (I know one was a Rothman Series 944 Cup). He hadn't been racing since he had a 356, so he hired me to Coach him for a day in the 914-6. Except he didn't show up with the Teener, he brought a Boxster ( & 2 Mechanics confused24.gif ).

He was friggen Huge (his gut was against the Steering Wheel). ! and had to wear a cool shirt even though it was cool weather. Easily one of the worst students I ever had and I gave him his money back, minus my expenses - he couldn't figure out Sebring at all even with me talking him around.

He ran this car a couple of times & then I saw it was FS. I know it has been a Race Car a long time & I'm sure that Ken spent money on the Drivetrain but that is long gone.
sixaddict
Figured u would have Info on this one





jamesjedi
Thanks for the reply. I know you cant tell much from the picture, but what do you think it is worth?
gms
QUOTE(jamesjedi @ Dec 20 2016, 07:50 AM) *

Thanks for the reply. I know you cant tell much from the picture, but what do you think it is worth?

It is very difficult to value a race car especially without a drive train. It probably cost a lot more to build and paint the car than they are asking but it ultimately comes down to tube structure design and how well it is constructed. Also check the rules of the organization you are going to race with because a lot of vintage groups are very picky about modern parts and extensive tube framing running in their groups. Most would have a problem the Baker nose and the shape of the quarter panels I see in the pictures of this car.
Randal
Just seconding checking out the rules of the organization you plan on running.

That roll cage wouldn't be acceptable, i.e., not high enough, given that the windshield is gone, with some groups.

To be legal with SCCA the roll bar height has to be a couple of inches above the helmet.

sixnotfour
didn't the red imsa 914 that was restored yellow, now being turned into a 904 sell for 20k running driving ??
sixnotfour
check out this one
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...p;#entry2436069
brant
QUOTE(gms @ Dec 21 2016, 11:02 AM) *

QUOTE(jamesjedi @ Dec 20 2016, 07:50 AM) *

Thanks for the reply. I know you cant tell much from the picture, but what do you think it is worth?

It is very difficult to value a race car especially without a drive train. It probably cost a lot more to build and paint the car than they are asking but it ultimately comes down to tube structure design and how well it is constructed. Also check the rules of the organization you are going to race with because a lot of vintage groups are very picky about modern parts and extensive tube framing running in their groups. Most would have a problem the Baker nose and the shape of the quarter panels I see in the pictures of this car.



Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

you need to determine which sanctioning body you are going to run the car in
It won't meet the rules for some sanctioning bodies
so knowing the rules first is the necessary step
sixaddict
The what its worth question gets murky.........surely much less than the owner/seller thinks it is....and that's not being cute. The obsolete issue and not conforming to any sanctioning body puts it in never never land. The seller is thinking what it cost to build but if you have to reconstruct your cost is higher so judge by that idea.
Plus you generally find these things have sat around for much longer than anyone remembers so everything needs refreshing. Unless there is some "provenance " go low ...you will spent a lot getting it trackable.
gereed75
Note the HSR sticker on the windscreen - Group 9. This is where 997 RS's Corvettes 935's etc run. No way this car is competitive in that class.

Group 9 because it would not be legal in Group 3, where 914's are competitive.
jamesjedi
Thanks to all the replies. Great information. I have always loved the 914 platform. I also like the "underdog" element of the car.

I am building (very slowly) a 911 track car. However, I am always thinking if changing to the 914.
Cracker
It was 15

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QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Dec 21 2016, 03:25 PM) *

didn't the red imsa 914 that was restored yellow, now being turned into a 904 sell for 20k running driving ??

bretth
Ugh I can't be the only one that hates when the windscreen frame is cut off. Could it really save that much weight? The car just becomes too far gone to ever go back to a street car with it removed, seems so much more of the value is gone. Couldn't they just remove the glass?
Cracker
It has little to do with wieght savings...the drag reduction and increase in downforce is HUGE without it! Its a race car - no big deal. Think of it like artistic license...

T

QUOTE(bretth @ Dec 31 2016, 01:26 AM) *

Ugh I can't be the only one that hates when the windscreen frame is cut off. Could it really save that much weight? The car just becomes too far gone to ever go back to a street car with it removed, seems so much more of the value is gone. Couldn't they just remove the glass?
jamesjedi
QUOTE(Cracker @ Dec 30 2016, 10:41 PM) *

It has little to do with wieght savings...the drag reduction and increase in downforce is HUGE without it! Its a race car - no big deal. Think of it like artistic license...

T

QUOTE(bretth @ Dec 31 2016, 01:26 AM) *

Ugh I can't be the only one that hates when the windscreen frame is cut off. Could it really save that much weight? The car just becomes too far gone to ever go back to a street car with it removed, seems so much more of the value is gone. Couldn't they just remove the glass?




This is in reference to the removed windscreen. From the December 2016 Excellence magazine in reference to a 914 6 vintage race car. I was curious about what they did to this car. Hopefully I have accurately quoted it;

"it was decided to revert to the "closed" cockpit design. "We had been getting faster and faster and with that, more unstable at high speeds, says Tiplady......Jeff (Gamroth?) talked to a bunch of people and dtermined that re-topping it would greatly improve aerodynamics. It did!"

I believe it had a 2.8 built by Jeff Gamroth.
Cracker
Not withstanding limitations to modify a historic-class car - the more speed that is created would have to be accounted for via aero improvements. This is stating the obvious of course...

If a driver cannot adapt or have the skill to adapt to a fast-er, loose-er car...one solution would be to make the car slower. Its not that a top makes a faster car more stable; rather, removing the top makes the car much faster (and inherently harder to control near its limits).

PS: I have not seen or read the article being referenced so shooting blind here...

Tony
GaroldShaffer
I bought this old FP 914 7 years ago with a dead engine for $2500. They spent a lot of money getting it built. The owner had many Porsche race cars when he passed away. The original asking price was $9K after no takers and a few phone calls later I was able to get it for $2500.

I then spent a fair amount of $$ getting it back in track shape (plus a had 3.0L /6 installed). A fun car that I planned to do some autocross stuff and just track days. It could run with the MWC in their vintage group also. I sold it a few years ago.

jamesjedi
I may do something similar. I really enjoy autocross, and I cant afford to do the vintage racing scene. Certainly not an entire season.
sixaddict
Going to add a comment based on what you just posted. You are in the same boat as many of us here.... but more importantly you can build or even better, buy a street legal prepared 914 that will be a great AX car. To be competitive it may not be too comfortable but it will be driveable. You accomplish a lot by doing that......the car can be shaken out on the street making it more reliable. There is an old formula for building a car for axing in stages that was generated by the founder of Automotion, Tom Green...For years I used his formula which was 21mm front bar 180 lb rear springs no rear bar. Good shocks, lowered and good alignment/corner balance and my car was consistently fast with a stock 2 liter ( pretty much). Eventually you do more ( like adjustable prop valve, better pads, exhaust ) but there is no need to sit on the side lines building you drive it.
Just some things to ponder. and good luck !




quote name='jamesjedi' date='Jan 3 2017, 02:03 PM' post='2440499']
I may do something similar. I really enjoy autocross, and I cant afford to do the vintage racing scene. Certainly not an entire season.
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campbellcj
Years ago, I had a tremendous amount of relatively affordable fun in my narrow body, small displacement 914s. For autocross or time-attack/time-trial use while keeping the car reasonable streetable and re-sellable, definitely do not rule that out as an option.

Sometimes I almost regret pouring the untold hours and dollars into extensive mods later -- as my speed junkie habit worsened -- because obviously there is a significant diminishing returns aspect. After a while, you get into cubic dollars/hours to add each additional HP or lose another few ounces. Don't get me wrong, the thrill factor is awesome and the car build itself can be a fun adventure too, but you might get 80% of the fun at 20% of the cost by going a less extreme route...
sixnotfour
what about this complete 914..recent real offering

Only needs new belts and seat for next year. Ready to race!

Car is a proper racecar, very quick and well sorted. Message here or call John at 416 419 3672 email is john@jollyjumper.com
Located in Lewiston NY $21,900 obo

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...p;#entry2436069
brant
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jan 3 2017, 11:43 PM) *

what about this complete 914..recent real offering

Only needs new belts and seat for next year. Ready to race!

Car is a proper racecar, very quick and well sorted. Message here or call John at 416 419 3672 email is john@jollyjumper.com
Located in Lewiston NY $21,900 obo

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...p;#entry2436069



got to be a good deal... even with the less than powerful motor.
probably 50cents on the dollar compared to the cost to build the same
maybe better....
EdwardBlume
[quote name='sixaddict' date='Jan 3 2017, 05:19 PM' post='2440538']
Going to add a comment based on what you just posted. You are in the same boat as many of us here.... but more importantly you can build or even better, buy a street legal prepared 914 that will be a great AX car. To be competitive it may not be too comfortable but it will be driveable. You accomplish a lot by doing that......the car can be shaken out on the street making it more reliable. There is an old formula for building a car for axing in stages that was generated by the founder of Automotion, Tom Green...For years I used his formula which was 21mm front bar 180 lb rear springs no rear bar. Good shocks, lowered and good alignment/corner balance and my car was consistently fast with a stock 2 liter ( pretty much). Eventually you do more ( like adjustable prop valve, better pads, exhaust ) but there is no need to sit on the side lines building you drive it.
Just some things to ponder. and good luck !




quote name='jamesjedi' date='Jan 3 2017, 02:03 PM' post='2440499']
I may do something similar. I really enjoy autocross, and I cant afford to do the vintage racing scene. Certainly not an entire season.
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This was my /4 entry in AX and it was a great car. Barely streetable but lots of low power fun and your skills will leap.
jamesjedi
[quote name='RobW' date='Apr 2 2017, 04:57 AM' post='2470939']
[quote name='sixaddict' date='Jan 3 2017, 05:19 PM' post='2440538']
Going to add a comment based on what you just posted. You are in the same boat as many of us here.... but more importantly you can build or even better, buy a street legal prepared 914 that will be a great AX car. To be competitive it may not be too comfortable but it will be driveable. You accomplish a lot by doing that......the car can be shaken out on the street making it more reliable. There is an old formula for building a car for axing in stages that was generated by the founder of Automotion, Tom Green...For years I used his formula which was 21mm front bar 180 lb rear springs no rear bar. Good shocks, lowered and good alignment/corner balance and my car was consistently fast with a stock 2 liter ( pretty much). Eventually you do more ( like adjustable prop valve, better pads, exhaust ) but there is no need to sit on the side lines building you drive it.
Just some things to ponder. and good luck !




quote name='jamesjedi' date='Jan 3 2017, 02:03 PM' post='2440499']
I may do something similar. I really enjoy autocross, and I cant afford to do the vintage racing scene. Certainly not an entire season.
[/quote]
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agree.gif

This was my /4 entry in AX and it was a great car. Barely streetable but lots of low power fun and your skills will leap.
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It looks like both cars have been sold. There will always be another. Thanks for the replies.
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