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twash
does any body have an ideal on how many early production 914-6 exist starting with 0011 and ending with 0052,
these cars are different due to front fenders being changed to ease production assembly and adding a rubber seal between fender and wind wing area,
brant
#14 has quite a history
but I don't know the answer to your question
its an interesting one
GaroldShaffer
Contact Glenn Stazak (gms here on the world) He owns #11 and has a lot of info on the /6 cars history.
SirAndy
QUOTE(brant @ Jan 18 2017, 09:52 AM) *
#14 has quite a history
but I don't know the answer to your question
its an interesting one

No, please ...

First, it's not 0014.
Second, it's not a production car, it does not have a production VIN and it was build long before any of the 0011 - 0052 cars.

That car has nothing to do with the question asked in this thread.
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SirAndy
QUOTE(Garold Shaffer @ Jan 18 2017, 10:21 AM) *

Contact Glenn Stazak (gms here on the world) He owns #11 and has a lot of info on the /6 cars history.

Glenn owns 0012. The person who started this thread owns 0011.
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brant
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 18 2017, 12:10 PM) *

QUOTE(brant @ Jan 18 2017, 09:52 AM) *
#14 has quite a history
but I don't know the answer to your question
its an interesting one

No, please ...

First, it's not 0014.
Second, it's not a production car, it does not have a production VIN and it was build long before any of the 0011 - 0052 cars.

That car has nothing to do with the question asked in this thread.
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I didn't remember it was a non vin car
I was joking anyways... not trying to cause trouble
but you are right.
forget I brought it up
nothing but trouble there.
and A LOT of trouble that shell caused for A LOT of good people.

cal914
Whats the story behind 0014 ?
brant
QUOTE(cal914 @ Jan 18 2017, 12:51 PM) *

Whats the story behind 0014 ?



No....
it's cursed
and it caused great harm to 914 world, and club members
a piece of crap rusty shell
twash
the reason what we are asking is THAT PORSCHE 914-043 0011[/b] has been selected to help represent MID ENGINE MARVELS cars at the quail car show on august 18, we know that 0011 & 0012 are the two examples being # 1 & 2 cars. what your best quest as how many of the first 52 cars exist, their fenders are different and not shur when 914-6 started using production 914-6 gear box's. first cars used a modified 911 901 box with push clutch flanges converted to pull clutch using an plastic wheel, early converted gear box shown in owners 914-6 clutch section
SirAndy
QUOTE(cal914 @ Jan 18 2017, 11:51 AM) *
Whats the story behind 0014 ?

It's not 0014. Brant got the wrong VIN ...
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lalee914
Well I have a pretty extensive database of 914/6s and here is a list of cars that I have some information on between 9140430011 and 9140430052

9140430011
9140430012
9140430013
9140430017
9140430019
9140430023
9140430026
9140430028
9140430029
9140430030
9140430031
9140430032
9140430033
9140430034
9140430035
9140430036
9140430041
9140430044
9140430046
9140430048
9140430051

I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.
SirAndy
QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.

0023 was scrapped by AA and the VIN tags were for sale on ebay in 2008 ...
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lalee914
Oh Yeah, Thanks for the reminder. A car with that VIN ended up in France.
siverson
Any photos of these special parts/fenders? This is new info to me...

-Steve
Montreal914
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I'm always in admiration with the knowledge and historical data here.
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Thank you for sharing
twash
some where in the data base, believe there are pictures of the fenders. the easy way to tell is to use dime and place it on the fender edge at the vent wing window next to door opening. the difference really pops out. also some early cars don't have a rubber strip between body and fender next to window, there are lots of difference between early and late cars including front truck seat metal between gas tank and front trunk. also # 914-043-0012 glens car has these features.
twash
QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 04:29 PM) *

Well I have a pretty extensive database of 914/6s and here is a list of cars that I have some information on between 9140430011 and 9140430052

9140430011 samojen
9140430012 stazak
9140430013
9140430017
9140430019 brumos
9140430023
9140430026
9140430028
9140430029
9140430030
9140430031
9140430032 gebhard
9140430033 bytzek
9140430034
9140430035
9140430036
9140430041
9140430044
9140430046
9140430048
9140430051

I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.
Gustl
QUOTE(twash @ Jan 19 2017, 05:28 PM) *
9140430019 brumos


is there a proof for this ...?
does anybody have a photo that shows this VIN on a car from Brumos ...?
Eric_Shea
We have #41 here being restored. It has the early fender stampings.
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 08:49 PM) *

Oh Yeah, Thanks for the reminder. A car with that VIN ended up in France.

welcome.png hi, All
I'm new to the forum writing from south France à nice village where there are cicadas and lavender. No it's not a postcard, it's only the place where is the 6 #023 driving.gif
Sold new in Germany exported to usa, dismantled by AA because too rusty
Then return to Europe for a new life
I'm after the restauration since 2011 with many characteristic parts of a M471 set
I'm looking for information about this car. Please what can you say????
European car, canary yellow, 901/36 maybe 6400013, body maybe 16
The 6th knowed car. Please If you have any information, say me
Excuse my approximative English type.gif
SirAndy
QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 12 2018, 02:09 PM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 08:49 PM) *

Oh Yeah, Thanks for the reminder. A car with that VIN ended up in France.

welcome.png hi, All
I'm new to the forum writing from south France à nice village where there are cicadas and lavender. No it's not a postcard, it's only the place where is the 6 #023 driving.gif
Sold new in Germany exported to usa, dismantled by AA because too rusty
Then return to Europe for a new life
I'm after the restauration since 2011 with many characteristic parts of a M471 set
I'm looking for information about this car. Please what can you say????
European car, canary yellow, 901/36 maybe 6400013, body maybe 16
The 6th knowed car. Please If you have any information, say me
Excuse my approximative English type.gif


I'm afraid the car you have is not real, it's a vin swap.
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From the eBay auction from 2008:

"However if you decide to purchase this vehicle, we do have a set of numbers and a good Georgia title for six number 9140430023 that we crushed years and years ago. The high bidder can buy this title and number set for an additional $500.00"

AA was selling a /6 bare shell (without vin) plus the vin tags and title from the other /6.
The auction clearly stated that the original /6 body was destroyed.

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SirAndy
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 12 2018, 02:53 PM) *
I'm afraid the car you have is not real, it's a vin swap.

Found the original thread from 2008:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=83314

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RémiDAVID
Thank for your reply,I knew about it after talking with George AA. The 023 was well rusted when purchassed and then scrapped...
I know the bidder, he bought a real vin and title. I am on a total reconstruction welder.gif with an other body6
In your opinion, while 70th how many car crushed following an accident have been rebuilt. Without Internet, nobody ever knew anything about it.
I have the honesty to announce my flight plan for this car restauration,it may not be the case for everybody...
And frankly, don't you find this store beautiful, revive an automobile jewel ? beerchug.gif
It would be a shame to keep a rusty shell stromberg.gif
There is for sale an engine 6400018 very close to my car. What you think about
Difficult for me with English but I'm happy to chat whith 914's enthousiasts. cheer.gif
Thanks reed you soon
Regards.
Rémi
Gustl
bon jour, Rémi ... or better bon soir wink.gif

welcome.png ... from the neighbourhood (globally speaking)

whatever you plan with #0023 - you would enlighten our days if you show us photos of the car, or the progress of your work beerchug.gif

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dr914@autoatlanta.com
51 is here and almost finished, adriatic blue, we had 34 at one time and 23
EdwardBlume
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 18 2017, 04:33 PM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.

0023 was scrapped by AA and the VIN tags were for sale on ebay in 2008 ...
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Really? sheeplove.gif
sixnotfour
QUOTE(siverson @ Jan 18 2017, 08:27 PM) *

Any photos of these special parts/fenders? This is new info to me...

-Steve


This is/was an early fender, The cut is the profile of the later fender..on -6 #390
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Mar 13 2018, 05:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 18 2017, 04:33 PM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.

0023 was scrapped by AA and the VIN tags were for sale on ebay in 2008 ...
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Really? sheeplove.gif

Thanks for advices bootyshake.gif
RémiDAVID
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Here is a pics of my car, front hood is work of my painter's son has his time. mad.gif
He is to my despair sold to date.Who can dechilate graff on it !!! confused24.gif
Other pics on the future, Difficult to send one by one icon_bump.gif
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 14 2018, 07:36 AM) *

Here is a pics of my car, front hood is work of my painter's son has his time. mad.gif
He is to my despair sold to date.Who can dechilate graff on it !!! confused24.gif
Other pics on the future, Difficult to send one by one icon_bump.gif

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Other pics: Weight is our enemy, Ferdinand's currency "by myself", a lot of modification in this way stirthepot.gif
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 14 2018, 03:01 PM) *

QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 14 2018, 07:36 AM) *

Here is a pics of my car, front hood is work of my painter's son has his time. mad.gif
He is to my despair sold to date.Who can dechilate graff on it !!! confused24.gif
Other pics on the future, Difficult to send one by one icon_bump.gif

Other pics: Weight is our enemy, Ferdinand's currency "by myself", a lot of modification in this way stirthepot.gif

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Under battery a great classic welder.gif
No quite ready to fly... idea.gif
EdwardBlume
QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 14 2018, 05:12 AM) *

QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Mar 13 2018, 05:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 18 2017, 04:33 PM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.

0023 was scrapped by AA and the VIN tags were for sale on ebay in 2008 ...
dry.gif

Really? sheeplove.gif

Thanks for advices bootyshake.gif


Aucun mal prévu. Vous semblez avoir un projet merveilleux et beaucoup de talent. Bonne chance pour votre programme de construction.

États-Unis »Ressources» Manuel des procureurs des États-Unis »Manuel de ressources criminelles» CRM 1000-1499 »Manuel de ressources criminelles 1301-1399
1364. Modification ou suppression des numéros d'identification de véhicules automobiles

L'article 511 (a) du titre 18 prévoit que le fait de retirer, d'oblitérer, d'altérer ou de modifier un numéro d'identification d'un véhicule routier automobile ou d'une pièce de véhicule automobile routier constitue sciemment un crime. L'article 511 (b) du Titre 18 crée des exceptions pour certaines personnes qui se livrent à un comportement licite pouvant entraîner la suppression ou la modification d'un numéro d'identification. Les antécédents législatifs montrent clairement que l'alinéa b) ne vise pas à créer une échappatoire pour les exploitants de «magasins de broyage». Voir H.R.Rep. No. 1087 sur H.R. 6257, 98ème Congrès, 2ème Sess. 23-25 ​​(1984).

L'article 511 c) du titre 18 contient les définitions de «numéro d'identification», «véhicule à moteur», «démolisseur de véhicule à moteur» et «transformateur de ferraille de véhicule à moteur». Le terme "numéro d'identification" désigne un numéro ou un symbole qui est inscrit ou apposé à des fins d'identification en vertu du chapitre 301 et de la partie C du sous-titre VI du titre 49.

Le titre 49, chapitre 301, autorise le ministre des Transports à promulguer des normes de sécurité des véhicules automobiles. En vertu de cette autorité, la Norme fédérale de sécurité des véhicules automobiles n ° 115 - Numéro d'identification du véhicule (49 CFR §§ 571.115 et 565.1 à 565.5) exige des numéros VIN publics sur les véhicules routiers (voitures particulières, véhicules de tourisme à usages multiples, camions, remorques et motocyclettes). La partie C du sous-titre VI du Titre 49 (49 U.S.C. § 33101 et suivants) autorise le Ministre des transports à promulguer des normes de prévention du vol (marquage des pièces). Les règles de marquage des pièces sont énoncées dans 49 C.F.R. Partie 541. L'exigence d'identification obligatoire des composants s'applique à certaines voitures de tourisme à haut risque à compter de l'année modèle 1987. En 1995, la norme sur la prévention du vol a été élargie pour inclure certains véhicules à passagers à usages multiples et certaines année 1997.

Pour une discussion sur la preuve des violations de 18 États-Unis § 511, voir ce manuel au 1376.
SirAndy
So we know the original body of #0023 was destroyed long ago by AA.

We also know that AA sold an original /6 shell *without* any VIN numbers plus the VIN tags from the scrapped #0023.

But we know nothing about the /6 shell that they sold.
I'd like to know the VIN and why the VIN numbers were removed from that shell before it was sold.
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KELTY360
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 15 2018, 09:06 AM) *

So we know the original body of #0023 was destroyed long ago by AA.

We also know that AA sold an original /6 shell *without* any VIN numbers plus the VIN tags from the scrapped #0023.

But we know nothing about the /6 shell that they sold.
I'd like to know the VIN and why the VIN numbers were removed from that shell before it was sold.
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Unfortunately, getting direct answers from 'dr914' are very hard to come by.
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Mar 15 2018, 07:31 AM) *

QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 14 2018, 05:12 AM) *

QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Mar 13 2018, 05:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 18 2017, 04:33 PM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.

0023 was scrapped by AA and the VIN tags were for sale on ebay in 2008 ...
dry.gif

Really? sheeplove.gif

Thanks for advices bootyshake.gif


Aucun mal prévu. Vous semblez avoir un projet merveilleux et beaucoup de talent. Bonne chance pour votre programme de construction.

États-Unis »Ressources» Manuel des procureurs des États-Unis »Manuel de ressources criminelles» CRM 1000-1499 »Manuel de ressources criminelles 1301-1399
1364. Modification ou suppression des numéros d'identification de véhicules automobiles

L'article 511 (a) du titre 18 prévoit que le fait de retirer, d'oblitérer, d'altérer ou de modifier un numéro d'identification d'un véhicule routier automobile ou d'une pièce de véhicule automobile routier constitue sciemment un crime. L'article 511 (b) du Titre 18 crée des exceptions pour certaines personnes qui se livrent à un comportement licite pouvant entraîner la suppression ou la modification d'un numéro d'identification. Les antécédents législatifs montrent clairement que l'alinéa b) ne vise pas à créer une échappatoire pour les exploitants de «magasins de broyage». Voir H.R.Rep. No. 1087 sur H.R. 6257, 98ème Congrès, 2ème Sess. 23-25 ​​(1984).

L'article 511 c) du titre 18 contient les définitions de «numéro d'identification», «véhicule à moteur», «démolisseur de véhicule à moteur» et «transformateur de ferraille de véhicule à moteur». Le terme "numéro d'identification" désigne un numéro ou un symbole qui est inscrit ou apposé à des fins d'identification en vertu du chapitre 301 et de la partie C du sous-titre VI du titre 49.

Le titre 49, chapitre 301, autorise le ministre des Transports à promulguer des normes de sécurité des véhicules automobiles. En vertu de cette autorité, la Norme fédérale de sécurité des véhicules automobiles n ° 115 - Numéro d'identification du véhicule (49 CFR §§ 571.115 et 565.1 à 565.5) exige des numéros VIN publics sur les véhicules routiers (voitures particulières, véhicules de tourisme à usages multiples, camions, remorques et motocyclettes). La partie C du sous-titre VI du Titre 49 (49 U.S.C. § 33101 et suivants) autorise le Ministre des transports à promulguer des normes de prévention du vol (marquage des pièces). Les règles de marquage des pièces sont énoncées dans 49 C.F.R. Partie 541. L'exigence d'identification obligatoire des composants s'applique à certaines voitures de tourisme à haut risque à compter de l'année modèle 1987. En 1995, la norme sur la prévention du vol a été élargie pour inclure certains véhicules à passagers à usages multiples et certaines année 1997.

Pour une discussion sur la preuve des violations de 18 États-Unis § 511, voir ce manuel au 1376.

Merci beaucoup pour tes compliments et tous ces renseignements.
Compliments réciproque pour ton Français irréprochable beerchug.gif
A bientot pour d'autres nouvelles type.gif
RémiDAVID
Hi, All
Look at my beautiful avatar. Who can dechilate it piratenanner.gif
Just a clarification about #23 in total rebuilt: the donor shell is #1646 was purchased in batch for 2 cars, the second is # 914 restaured GT ivory, by a Frenchy beerchug.gif He was the title bidder for 500USD, then I recover the project: beer3.gif
Do you think I have to continue on this thread about my car, or better a new page about my works welder.gif

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here is my gearbox reinforsed short gear whith lsd Quaife bye1.gif
SirAndy
QUOTE(RémiDAVID @ Mar 28 2018, 01:03 PM) *
Do you think I have to continue on this thread about my car, or better a new page about my works welder.gif

Probably better to start your own thread ...

Also, when you post, make sure you have the "Enable emoticons?" checkbox ticked, otherwise we can't see any of the emojis in your post.
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carr914
QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 08:29 PM) *

Well I have a pretty extensive database of 914/6s and here is a list of cars that I have some information on between 9140430011 and 9140430052

9140430011
9140430012
9140430013
9140430017
9140430019
9140430023
9140430026
9140430028
9140430029
9140430030
9140430031
9140430032
9140430033
9140430034
9140430035
9140430036
9140430041
9140430044
9140430046
9140430048
9140430051

I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.



#37 resides 2 Blocks from me!

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daytona
Hi Remi,
Looks like you are doing a good job rebuilding your car. I do not own a real 914-6 (wish I did), and I understand the intent in bringing a car back to life. In my opinion, combining a real -6 shell with a non original to the shell but still real -6 vin is ok as long as the history is well documented and published.
As you mentioned in one of your posts, people in the past have gone to extreme measures to revive a previously scrapped or destroyed car.
Reviving a car (even if considered a Frankenstein by some) is a tremendous effort.
Good luck to you with your car and keep us posted on your progress.
Bill.
Dave_Darling
One problem is that we have seen at least one VIN-swapped car later go on to be represented as an "all original unmolested six" several owners later. The history gets lost, and all that's left is someone who doesn't know they have been scammed.

--DD
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Mar 29 2018, 10:19 AM) *

One problem is that we have seen at least one VIN-swapped car later go on to be represented as an "all original unmolested six" several owners later. The history gets lost, and all that's left is someone who doesn't know they have been scammed.

--DD

Don't worry, If it's good job there will no scammed, follow my works and you can judge
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RémiDAVID
QUOTE(daytona @ Mar 29 2018, 07:26 AM) *

Hi Remi,
Looks like you are doing a good job rebuilding your car. I do not own a real 914-6 (wish I did), and I understand the intent in bringing a car back to life. In my opinion, combining a real -6 shell with a non original to the shell but still real -6 vin is ok as long as the history is well documented and published.
As you mentioned in one of your posts, people in the past have gone to extreme measures to revive a previously scrapped or destroyed car.
Reviving a car (even if considered a Frankenstein by some) is a tremendous effort.
Good luck to you with your car and keep us posted on your progress.
Bill.

Hi, Friend huge thanks for your good feeling ready for more news and pics smile.gif
EdwardBlume
QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 29 2018, 04:06 AM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 08:29 PM) *

Well I have a pretty extensive database of 914/6s and here is a list of cars that I have some information on between 9140430011 and 9140430052



I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.



#37 resides 2 Blocks from me!

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EdwardBlume
Start a new thread with a new title. The transmission looks tres bien.

Just another European with mad skills that will make us Mericans jealous.
RémiDAVID
QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Mar 30 2018, 08:36 AM) *

QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 29 2018, 04:06 AM) *

QUOTE(lalee914 @ Jan 18 2017, 08:29 PM) *

Well I have a pretty extensive database of 914/6s and here is a list of cars that I have some information on between 9140430011 and 9140430052



I don't recall any of these as being destroyed.



#37 resides 2 Blocks from me!

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I don't understand blink.gif why are you making fun of # 37 bs.gif
In this excitant thread smilie_pokal.gif I would like to know if we look for 6 the y are on road driving-girl.gif or factory outlet
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