sixnotfour
Jan 14 2018, 03:48 PM
yes ,, your parts,, Scotty's pic 1 st thread, the end where the torsion bar adjusters are is squared off ,,4s are round on the end.
Cairo94507
Jan 14 2018, 03:50 PM
Great- I will send him that picture. We got a 4 cylinder crossmember when we picked up my car. I wish all the parts had been marked with my name or something. That would have saved a lot of grief.
Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 07:56 AM
OK, in case anyone wants to know the difference between a 4 cylinder car crossmember and a 6 cylinder car crossmember, here you go:
This is a picture of the stock 4 cylinder crossmember end:
Click to view attachmentHere is a stock 6 cylinder car crossmember end:
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Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 07:59 AM
In the above pictures you can clearly see the end of the 6 crossmember is kind of squared off while the 4 crossmember is round. Easy peasy to differentiate.
Here is a close up shot, (sorry it got blurry when I zoomed in on it) of the rack that came off my 6 - it is clearly a correct rack for my car:
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mb911
Jan 15 2018, 08:03 AM
That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..
Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 08:06 AM
Hey Ben - Yeah, this was a new one for me too. By the way, Jim, (Banananose) is the one who knew this and caught this. I believe the Six crossmember may be the same as a 911 but I am not certain of that.
mb911
Jan 15 2018, 08:31 AM
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Jan 15 2018, 06:06 AM)
Hey Ben - Yeah, this was a new one for me too. By the way, Jim, (Banananose) is the one who knew this and caught this. I believe the Six crossmember me be the same as a 911 but I am not certain of that.
That would make sense..
Tdskip
Jan 15 2018, 08:35 AM
Do you "need" a 911 cross member, or only if you want to stay as close as possible to a factory 914/6?
Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 09:22 AM
Hopefully Scotty still has my correct, original 6 crossmember sitting in his shop. I have sent him the pictures and a request to locate and ship it to me. I appreciate the offer. I want to keep my parts on my car whenever possible. Especially the Six specific parts. I don't know if one really "needs" a specific 914-6 or possibly 911 crossmember, but my car is a real Six so I am trying to keep those things correct.
Larmo63
Jan 15 2018, 09:37 AM
An alloy one might be another option.....?
Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 09:40 AM
Hi Larmo63 - Yeah, if my original is UTL, then I would try to source an alloy crossmember for sure.
mepstein
Jan 15 2018, 10:44 AM
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 09:03 AM)
That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..
It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number
914350
Jan 15 2018, 12:14 PM
Pics.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 12:17 PM
Pics.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 12:21 PM
Pics.
Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 12:39 PM
Wow! Now that is what I'm talking about. That front end looks very nice - like new really.
Thanks Kent for all of the hard work straightening this absolute mess out and for posting the pics for others to see what real craftsmanship looks like.
Pretty soon the fun stuff will begin. See you on Saturday -
Cheers,
Michael
bbrock
Jan 15 2018, 01:00 PM
I'm really starting to hate this thread. Just when I feel like I'm doing decent work on my own car, I come over here and realize what an amateur I am.
Seriously though, it is really nice to watch this "no compromises" build progress under a true master.
Tdskip
Jan 15 2018, 01:31 PM
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 15 2018, 10:44 AM)
It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number
May well be, I know the 911 ones swap on to a wide range of cars, including first Gen cars (I put an SC alloy one on my '66 912 as a proof point).
Would be good to run down...
Great progress - exciting to see.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 03:02 PM
QUOTE(bbrock @ Jan 15 2018, 11:00 AM)
I'm really starting to hate this thread. Just when I feel like I'm doing decent work on my own car, I come over here and realize what an amateur I am.
Seriously though, it is really nice to watch this "no compromises" build progress under a true master.
Thanks Brent but I just checked out your thread and your really doing a lot of work on your car. Great rust prevention and your attacking all the bad areas. That will be a great car when your done and "you" did it. Keep up the great work.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 03:05 PM
Pics.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 03:06 PM
Enjoy the pics. Mike. See you on Saturday.
.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 03:08 PM
Pics.
bigkensteele
Jan 15 2018, 03:12 PM
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 15 2018, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 09:03 AM)
That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..
It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number
I thought that if you run a 911 cross member that you can't use the 914 pan/cover because the bolt holes don't line up, but I could be mistaken.
worn
Jan 15 2018, 03:14 PM
the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?
mb911
Jan 15 2018, 03:33 PM
QUOTE(worn @ Jan 15 2018, 01:14 PM)
the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?
Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..
mepstein
Jan 15 2018, 03:57 PM
QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Jan 15 2018, 04:12 PM)
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 15 2018, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 09:03 AM)
That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..
It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number
I thought that if you run a 911 cross member that you can't use the 914 pan/cover because the bolt holes don't line up, but I could be mistaken.
I thought that referred to an aluminum crossmember but I don't have any first hand experience.
Cairo94507
Jan 15 2018, 04:38 PM
Heck, I don't know. I am hoping Scotty finds and ships my original crossmember so I never have to worry about it.
Man that underseal flexible rubberized "stuff" looks so nice. I can't wait to touch it in person.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 01:33 PM)
QUOTE(worn @ Jan 15 2018, 01:14 PM)
the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?
Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..
Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.
914350
Jan 15 2018, 05:29 PM
Pics.
mb911
Jan 15 2018, 05:36 PM
QUOTE(914350 @ Jan 15 2018, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 01:33 PM)
QUOTE(worn @ Jan 15 2018, 01:14 PM)
the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?
Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..
Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.
Very cool I need to find something like that around here..
914350
Jan 15 2018, 05:58 PM
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 03:36 PM)
QUOTE(914350 @ Jan 15 2018, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 01:33 PM)
QUOTE(worn @ Jan 15 2018, 01:14 PM)
the coagulation looks perfect. what did you use to spray seams?
Me too please I am about ready to do this my self..
Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.
Very cool I need to find something like that around here..
Any automotive paint supply store should have what you'll need.
raynekat
Jan 15 2018, 06:14 PM
Yeah, I'm printing all these seam sealing pics out and giving them to my paint guy this week.
They are great "go to's" for doing this kind of thing.
Catylised urethane tintable bed liner slightly under reduced and tinted with a beige toner and sprayed at a very low pressure through an undercoating gun.
He'll get these instructions as well.
Beats reinventing the wheel.
Larmo63
Jan 15 2018, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Jan 15 2018, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 15 2018, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 15 2018, 09:03 AM)
That's very interesting.. I never knew that..always amazes me how many -6 specific parts porsche made for 3000 some odd cars.. Talk about tooling expenses through the roof..
It looks the same as a 911 crossmember so maybe its just a 6 specific part number
I thought that if you run a 911 cross member that you can't use the 914 pan/cover because the bolt holes don't line up, but I could be mistaken.
You can't. I used a real 911 underbelly protective "bash pan" which is a lot more stout than the wimpy 914 part, although it's also a lot heavier.
cary
Jan 15 2018, 08:27 PM
Click to view attachment That is beautiful thing ................ Perfect
I spent a couple hours with my Lord Fusor seam sealer sprayer last week. I couldn't even get anything close to something that looked right. Can't get it messy enough.
Back to the drawing board ..............
With a head start from Kent.
sixnotfour
Jan 15 2018, 09:58 PM
my Six would need a brush stoke around it ..no pebble spay...it
vary's,,,
banananose914
Jan 15 2018, 10:32 PM
Hey Cairo! It appears your car is providing you with that long sought after "six" erection. And Kent, I told you not to do his car better than mine. You dicks!
Cairo94507
Jan 16 2018, 07:45 AM
As good as mine is coming along, just think about the next one Kent tackles.
Cairo94507
Jan 22 2018, 08:48 AM
So I went down to visit with Kent, and Jim and got to meet Dave (BlueSix) and Bob while down there looking at my Six. First off, the work Kent has done left me speechless - my car has jumped forward lightyears in progress. I feel for Kent as he has been undoing a lot of bad work, correcting the chassis and building from there. Everywhere we look we see things that were not right.
Soon enough Kent will be moving on to the body work phase as the metal work will be concluded. Again, the front end is now all straight, true, correct and beautiful. I was so excited looking at the car and talking with them all that I took no pictures. However I believe my brother Bob took some as did my friend Richard. Richard, who is a die hard VW guy was completely blown away by Kent's work and never did stop talking about it on the 6-hour ride home.
As soon as I get some photos I will post them to catch the thread up. I believe we will be returning to L.A. in March for the big swap meet. At least, that's the plan. Stay tuned.
Just a side note, these guys are just top-notch people. Dave, BlueSix, is a great guy. Another serious 914 owner who knows these cars inside-out too. Hope to see him the next time we go down to L.A.
Tdskip
Jan 22 2018, 09:10 AM
Forgive the newbie question but are those louvers original to a 914/6?
Help with front mounted oil cooler?
Cairo94507
Jan 22 2018, 09:38 AM
They are not. Scotty made that panel and pressed the louvers in and then cut out the original trunk floor and welded that panel in. It is a nice panel and we kept it. The oil cooler (Patrick Motor Sports unit) will mount vertically against the front nose and then be covered by an aluminum shroud to direct air coming through the front of the cooler out through those lovers under the car after passing through the cooler. Should keep the engine plenty cool.
914350
Jan 22 2018, 10:12 AM
Hi Mike, I really enjoyed the visit though I ate way to much but I guess that could be a good thing.
Thanks again for dinner 'twas excellent. It was great to see you brother and to meet Richard. I'll keep pluggin away and there will be more to see when you come down in March.
914350
Jan 22 2018, 10:14 AM
Pics of rear fender.
914350
Jan 22 2018, 10:16 AM
More pics.
914350
Jan 22 2018, 10:23 AM
Pics.
Cairo94507
Jan 22 2018, 01:44 PM
Click to view attachment Click to view attachment Click to view attachment Click to view attachmentNot sure you can tell, but that is my extremely happy face. The rear tail light did not fit into the rear quarter panel when I got my car back. The panel was over 1/4" out of alignment. That may not seem like a lot, but believe me it is. As you can now see with the new/old "Green Hornet" quarter panel (thanks Dave (Blue Six) and Kent) the taillight now fits perfectly. The pictures of the quarter panel replacement should give you an idea of the level of detail Kent goes to to make sure the car is perfectly straight and tight, thus earning him forever a position on the Justice League.
I don't know if there is truly such a thing as a "rust free 914" but this Six is going to be as close to that as will exist in this century. Kent's work should not really be described as work- it is true craftsmanship. I know that because I have seen it with my own eyeballs. Pictures are nice, but they still can't really tell the whole story.
My friend Richard summed it up by saying, when looking at Jim's 914-6, "I was never able to go to a Porsche dealership in 1970 to see a brand new 914-6 in the showroom, but now I know what that would have been like".
I can't wait for my next trip to L.A.
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Cairo94507
Jan 22 2018, 02:01 PM
And, here is the windshield wiper assembly for my Six. It was checked out by master electrician Bob (he has a perfect Boxster Spyder) and refinished by Jim- no further introduction needed.
Here is mine in the foreground with a 4 wiper assembly behind it. Aside from the visible distinctions, a 6 has a three-speed wipers and park. A 4 has two-speed wipers and park.
Cairo94507
Jan 22 2018, 03:05 PM
Just heard from Scotty - He found my original crossmember and is shipping it and the little fuzzies that go on the headlight mechanism.
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timothy_nd28
Jan 22 2018, 03:26 PM
Is this what the door gap should look like with the shell unloaded with weight? If so, I'll set mine the same way when welding my stiffening kits in.
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Cairo94507
Jan 22 2018, 04:26 PM
I do not believe that is a finish gap as Kent has not begun finish body work yet. That is probably pretty close though. Kent may jump in here with a comment.
sixnotfour
Jan 22 2018, 06:30 PM
so all those Q-tips standing around a grey 914-6,,,My guess is gloss Grey,,,,
fantastic work ...
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