larryM
Jul 27 2017, 12:11 PM
simple question
back in 1970 when the -6's were introduced, was there "market excitement" which caused the early adopters to throw down deposits & get onto wait-lists for the first cars?
was there a temporary frenzy to get one?
- if so, when did it abate?
- and did "flippers" get into the act?
did it happen in USA?
did it happen in Germany?
i know it happened in USA on cars like the 1990 Miata - but that was 20 yrs later
- & now-a-days, it is a marketing tactic to release limited production special editions at full-price plus additional dealer markup
(Porsche 918 Spyder, Carrera GT, 911 Speedster etc, - Tesla mania is similar)
toolguy
Jul 27 2017, 03:08 PM
They languished on the dealers inventory, common for 1970 models to be unsold for months and some held until 71. . .The biggest detraction was they were only $500 less than a 911T and had the VW stigma. 10 years later they were still considered to be a 'lesser car' by the 911 community. . except on the track where they were more than competitive.
Racer
Jul 27 2017, 03:38 PM
I would agree. Although, apples to oranges, the base 911T had a 4spd
That said, they were not quick sellers. IIRC, my dad bought his early '70/6 as the '71s were gearing up to get to dealers
Course, my dad wanted the 914, since the engine was in the proper place!
csdilligaf
Jul 27 2017, 04:52 PM
A friend of mine was in the car business in 1970 and has always told me they hung around the lot a long time also. Wish we could turn back the clock.
SKL1
Jul 28 2017, 12:23 AM
And because they sat so long I was lucky when I got my early '71 as they traded the houndstooth seat inserts from a 6 they couldn't sell and put them in my 4... love those seats!!
oldie914
Jul 28 2017, 05:07 AM
I lived in Stuttgart in 1970 and in December bought a 914/6 from the local dealer. He had four 914/6s to choose from; they were all cars used by dealers as demonstrators and had about 16,000Km. Price was about DM 13,000 which was $3,600. I remember that only one of the 4 cars did not have rust under the battery but I was not smart enough to buy that one. I bought the one that had the color I liked.
New price was for a 914/6 was DM 20,000 at that time. A 1970 911T (with 4 speed) was DM 21,000. Prices at that time were fixed by the manufacturer and dealers were not allowed to offer discounts.
The 914/6 was not a success because it was too expensive. A 911 cost a little more but was a much better car.
I also looked at a 914/4 which had a new price of about DM 13,000. Took a test drive and gear shifting was about the worst I had ever seen; even when new. The 914/6 was much better.
maxwelj
Jul 28 2017, 11:41 AM
I had a frenzy about buying mine! <<grin>> I was in love with the fact it was a mid engine car. I paid a little over $5200 through a travel agency program for European delivery. Picked it up in Brussels in April of '70. When I shipped it to the US, it was a used car, so didn't have any import taxes. (except for the tool kit that was liberated at some point, and the broken hand brake and radio knobs)
larryM
Jul 28 2017, 08:00 PM
excellent! - just what i was hoping to discover - not a "hot commodity"
why anyone at all b'ot 'em in 1970 is a different social question - was it the racing factor? (as documented in several recent books)
- interesting that "new" cars already showed rust problems at 16k Km
not unlike my experience with a '67 911 that was arguably rusted beyond rational salvation when i got it in 1971
pete000
Jul 28 2017, 11:22 PM
When I was a kid back around 1980 I had a friend who's girlfriends parents were into Porsches. I remember going to their house to see their new 911 SC and the girl said that 914 over in the feild besides their house was a "Six" I remember saying its a terd 914 who cares !
It was Irish Green, they bought it new.
That was then , this is now...LOL
mb911
Jul 29 2017, 08:10 AM
QUOTE(larryM @ Jul 28 2017, 06:00 PM)
excellent! - just what i was hoping to discover - not a "hot commodity"
why anyone at all b'ot 'em in 1970 is a different social question - was it the racing factor? (as documented in several recent books)
- interesting that "new" cars already showed rust problems at 16k Km
not unlike my experience with a '67 911 that was arguably rusted beyond rational salvation when i got it in 1971
Great point is that they all have rust just some has not reared its ugly head as of yet.. I consider mine as a seasoned 914
burton73
Jul 29 2017, 11:01 AM
Larry,
Why the “excellent! - Just what I was hoping to discover - not a "hot commodity"
I have read your back-story on your super special 6. I hope to see it one day.
Bob B
gandalf_025
Jul 29 2017, 11:34 AM
Any 914, 6 or not was considered undesirable back then.
The arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to you.
Going to a PCA Meeting was a joke..
Took many years to be recognized as a Porsche..
I bought my 6 in early 73..... will never forget the way we were treated.
larryM
Jul 29 2017, 10:03 PM
quite true
QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Jul 29 2017, 10:34 AM)
Any 914, 6 or not was considered undesirable back then.
The arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to you.
I bought my 6 in early 73..... will never forget the way we were treated.
KELTY360
Jul 29 2017, 10:12 PM
QUOTE(larryM @ Jul 29 2017, 09:03 PM)
quite true
QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Jul 29 2017, 10:34 AM)
Any 914, 6 or not was considered undesirable back then.
The arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to you.
I bought my 6 in early 73..... will never forget the way we were treated.
That's why I consider myself a 914 guy, not a Porsche guy. NARP is a badge of honor.
RickS
Jul 29 2017, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Jul 29 2017, 09:12 PM)
QUOTE(larryM @ Jul 29 2017, 09:03 PM)
quite true
QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Jul 29 2017, 10:34 AM)
Any 914, 6 or not was considered undesirable back then.
The arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to you.
I bought my 6 in early 73..... will never forget the way we were treated.
That's why I consider myself a 914 guy, not a Porsche guy. NARP is a badge of honor.
About 4 years ago I ran my 6 conversion in a rather spirited PCA "tour" and had no issues keeping up with the new cars in the twisties. When we stopped for coffee a handful of new car owners came over and asked how keeping up was possible. I told them that 914 GTs actually put the higher priced 911s to shame in several races and a result were pulled from future races as to not tarnish the more expensive 911s. They were rather dumbfounded. I then told them I peddled like hell to keep up, and then they laughed. I thought they would be dicks, but they were rather impressed by what a humble 914 can do. Some might still be dicks, but a few are more shrunken.
gandalf_025
Jul 30 2017, 05:56 AM
QUOTE(RickS @ Jul 30 2017, 12:53 AM)
QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Jul 29 2017, 09:12 PM)
QUOTE(larryM @ Jul 29 2017, 09:03 PM)
quite true
QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Jul 29 2017, 10:34 AM)
Any 914, 6 or not was considered undesirable back then.
The arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to you.
I bought my 6 in early 73..... will never forget the way we were treated.
That's why I consider myself a 914 guy, not a Porsche guy. NARP is a badge of honor.
About 4 years ago I ran my 6 conversion in a rather spirited PCA "tour" and had no issues keeping up with the new cars in the twisties. When we stopped for coffee a handful of new car owners came over and asked how keeping up was possible. I told them that 914 GTs actually put the higher priced 911s to shame in several races and a result were pulled from future races as to not tarnish the more expensive 911s. They were rather dumbfounded. I then told them I peddled like hell to keep up, and then they laughed. I thought they would be dicks, but they were rather impressed by what a humble 914 can do. Some might still be dicks, but a few are more shrunken.
About 4 years ago is a FAR cry from the early 70's. People may be more willing to accept a 914 now, but many newer owners have no idea what a 914 is.
Back then, it was what it was.... I lived through it... As some other members here did also and I'm sure they can relate..
GregAmy
Jul 30 2017, 07:53 AM
Clearly they were not desired at the time. If the /6 had been a good seller then it would not have been cancelled...and would not be as rare today.
Lucky9146
Jul 30 2017, 08:26 AM
QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Jul 29 2017, 10:34 AM)
Any 914, 6 or not was considered undesirable back then.
The arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to you.
Going to a PCA Meeting was a joke..
Took many years to be recognized as a Porsche..
I bought my 6 in early 73..... will never forget the way we were treated.
Had a beautiful concours 912 in the eighties and
the arrogant 911 owners wouldn't even talk to me either. Never understood it and especially at the PCA meetings. Now there is a car I wish I'd have kept and not just because of the prices but because it was so original as in paint and interior.
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