Was considering buying some patrick motorsports steel flares. Anyone have experience with their product? Are they Auto Atlanta flares? Any help would be appreciated. Thankyou

Bill

Or Restoration Designs

GT flare, set of 4
Code: PP359
Price: 995.00 $US
Porsche #: 914 503 908 10
Quantity in Basket: none

Bob B

I was reading on here and it sounds like restoration designs get their flares from Auto Atlanta. I've heard that all aftermarket flares come from Auto Atlanta. Am I wrong on that? Talked to the people at patrick motorsports and they said their flares are not from AA.

I don't know who PMS gets theirs from, but Patrick does very good work, and they are proud of their work! But the old saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Yeah I've been by their shop in Phoenix. Fellow who showed me around was super cool. Really nice looking projects going on all around.

I think it is Restoration Design they does the stamping and tooling for metal parts.

This is very expensive equipment that PMS or AA do not own.

Bob B

Actually, i'm pretty sure RD just resells the AA flares. As far as i know AA is the only one making metal reproductions.

10 months and still waiting for my 6 conversion to be completed......

I doubt PMS does their own. Maybe it gets shipped directly from AA's supplier so they don't actually see AA's address on the box.

Just talked with George hussey about this.. They actually supply the flares to RD.. I would suspect to pms as well.. Stamping dies are really expensive and to think more then one company makes them for our cars is crazy.. Not enough volume.

You'll probably get the best price from AA

Thanks guys! I'm in phoenix today and can get free shipping. Think I might buy a set.

I think the list price is lower from Restoration Designs but the shipping from Canada might be more expensive than Auto Atlanta.

Ask them first. We order a lot of parts from RD and their shipping is always very reasonable. Plus their service is great.

If Restoration Design does not stamp the parts there what is this?

"We invite you to visit our facility and view these in action"

We have a fully capable facility to handle a large range of tasks and products, with advanced machines including:
5-axis Mitsubishi Laser Cutter
CNC Lathe
500 ton Hydraulic Press
Two 200 ton Hydraulic Presses
Two 50 ton Hydraulic Presses
Two 3-axis CNC Milling Machines
We invite you to visit our facility and view these in action, or check out our media page which will be updated regularly with photos and videos directly from the shop!

patrick re sells a lot of normal stuff they claim as their own....

I know it's been tough waiting for your six conversion but I am positive you will smile ear to ear once you have it in your possession. From what I have seen and been told regarding PMS...IT'S WORTH THE WAIT!!!!

BTW...I have purchased 2 full sets of flares from AA, happy no fitment issues.

Oscar

They stamp the majority of their parts. They don't stamp the battery trays or the flares.. And probably a few other things.. Ask them they are very honest about it.. They will give discounts on anything Canadian made only.. Smart business..

To reiterate they stamp the majority of their parts just a few items they purchase elsewhere..

I do the same with the -6 oil tank fittings and dipsticks.. That doesn't mean I don't make most my products in house..

I can't imagine that at 1000.00 a set more or less...
It wouldn't be profitable to make a set of dies and make them
available by a vendor with the means to do it..
I realize there is a small market for these.. But there has to be
a market willing to buy from anywhere else but...

Just saying...

They do a lot of their own parts but Pete told me a couple years ago that the flares come from AA.

I wish they would but I don't think they will. They can make a profit on the existing flares without the big start up cost of making dies, etc. I imagine AA sells some parts that RD makes.

Whoever actually stamps them out, we should be glad that they’re available as the Porsche factory ones seemed to be as rare as hens teeth. Kudos to anyone that was willing to pay for the dies that were necessary. The fact that any parts are available 40 years after the last 914s were produced is quite amazing.

Yes. Some of it they repackage as a kit and call it a PMS exclusive. Like the 915 cableshifter or the 3.2 conversion clutch kit. But they are a very cool company and offer the parts in a one stop format instead of the scavenger hunt that is often needed to find parts for our cars.

Yup. They make MOST of the stuff they sell, but not all of it.
All the BMW2002 stuff thy stock comes from W&N in Germany. Flares are AA.

There was a video a few years back about how AA made the steel flares. It was cool, and a lot more involved then I had thought.

Zach

Is this the one place where Geo has us by the balls?

If your balls are made out of steel and pressed into shape, then yes ...

I am assuming you don't realize that some die sets can cost over 100k. Especially when you have 4 sets of dies..

I remember in the video that they were pressed 2 or 3 times and hand trimed plus other work done to them. Even after the dies are made, it’s still a lot of labor.

AA claims to have spent 100k on the dies, which is reasonable with the cnc time and polishing after. They also seem to have gotten it right.

I also thought it was RD stamping them but that is not the case as told in a previous thread. They just resell the AA flares.

Lots of car manufactures in the SE, I doubt it was hard for G to find a stamper.

Lots of retailers stock them, so just find the cheapest price shipped.