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Cairo94507
Recently brought to my attention when I collected my parts from the shop back east, I mistakenly got a 4 cylinder crossmember back, not my correct 6 cylinder crossmember. That led me to learn, (thanks Jim, aka Banananose) how to differentiate the two. Here you go:

This is a 4 cylinder crossmember:
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This is a correct 6 cylinder crossmember:
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I hope that helps in the future. beerchug.gif
dr914@autoatlanta.com
one learns something every day, never noticed the difference. Thanks for sharing. Just went out and looked at a six and a four. Sure enough
mskala
I disagree.

6-cyl photo (sorry for quality but I have another car under it right now).
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mepstein
QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 16 2018, 10:33 PM) *

I disagree.

6-cyl photo (sorry for quality but I have another car under it right now).
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I thought all the early adjusters used allen heads. It would be interesting to see what the part number is on the crossmember.
mskala
Do they have a part number stamped on the crossmember?

Another thing, I'll get a better pic, but the adjuster screws just have an 8mm hex section welded onto the threaded section.
mepstein
QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 17 2018, 08:57 AM) *

Do they have a part number stamped on the crossmember?

Another thing, I'll get a better pic, but the adjuster screws just have an 8mm hex section welded onto the threaded section.

Might have been a regular bolt at one time
gms
Should have 911 type support (with flat side) and early allen head adjuster
gms
Also I have found the early steering rack on all my 1970 914/6s (no data on 1971 & 72)
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mskala
All I know is I bought this car in '99 from a guy who had it since '74, and lots of
records and kept old parts. Highly doubtful that it was changed.
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mepstein
QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 17 2018, 08:10 PM) *

All I know is I bought this car in '99 from a guy who had it since '74, and lots of
records and kept old parts. Highly doubtful that it was changed.
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Someone was in there to modify those bolts. 25 years is a long time.
914Sixer
I have seen them all the ways shown. I maintain it was what they had on the shelf that week. The square end cross member looks to be 901 341 013.02. According to the PET 69-73 911 and all 914 share the same cross member 901 341 013 03. Version 01 was for the 64-68 cars.
Jonathan Livesay
QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 16 2018, 07:33 PM) *

I disagree.

6-cyl photo (sorry for quality but I have another car under it right now).
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Mine has the same as yours. My car is vin #9140430275, I see from the vin# list that your vin is 33 down from mine, I wonder if that has anything to do with which type was used? Of course over over 48 years who knows what might have been changed and why.
gms
I would be interested to know if you have 914/4 a-arms as well?
Do you both have 914/6 Boge strut towers?
mepstein
QUOTE(gms @ Jan 19 2018, 07:33 PM) *

I would be interested to know if you have 914/4 a-arms as well?
Do you both have 914/6 Boge strut towers?

I was wondering that too. 914-4 torsion bars? or not.
gms
QUOTE(914Sixer @ Jan 17 2018, 10:46 PM) *

I have seen them all the ways shown. I maintain it was what they had on the shelf that week. The square end cross member looks to be 901 341 013.02. According to the PET 69-73 911 and all 914 share the same cross member 901 341 013 03. Version 01 was for the 64-68 cars.

My parts catalog shows:
914-4 = 914 341 013 03
914-6 = 901 341 013 03
911 with shock absorber struts is 901 341 013 03 (1970-71)
911 with shock absorber struts is 911 341 013 05 (1972-73)
911 with spring struts is 901 341 013 03

as I recall the pre 1969 911 suspension was a totally different animal

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mskala
I have Boge struts and 911-splined arms.
Jonathan Livesay
QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 19 2018, 08:04 PM) *

I have Boge struts and 911-splined arms.

I know the torsion bars are different splines than on my 4 cylinder cars. If it has 6 front brakes then it has 6 struts, no? My car is completely disassembled, I will check next time I am over at my garage.
mepstein
QUOTE(Jonathan Livesay @ Jan 20 2018, 12:11 PM) *

QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 19 2018, 08:04 PM) *

I have Boge struts and 911-splined arms.

I know the torsion bars are different splines than on my 4 cylinder cars. If it has 6 front brakes then it has 6 struts, no? My car is completely disassembled, I will check next time I am over at my garage.

If it has 6 front brakes then it has 6 struts - correct. Original color would be grey.
gms
QUOTE(Jonathan Livesay @ Jan 20 2018, 11:11 AM) *

QUOTE(mskala @ Jan 19 2018, 08:04 PM) *

I have Boge struts and 911-splined arms.

I know the torsion bars are different splines than on my 4 cylinder cars. If it has 6 front brakes then it has 6 struts, no? My car is completely disassembled, I will check next time I am over at my garage.

-6 struts
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dug
The 914-6 cross member with flat ends, and the front and rear torsion bar carriers all have a P in the Triangle stamp indicating a Porsche part.

The 914-4 cross member and torsion bar carriers all have VW stamps.

A part's presence in a 48 year old car does not prove anything.

Porsche would not have had the 914-4 parts on their shelf. A lot can happen in the first 3 years of ownership. It would not surprise me if someone hit a curb hard and bend the control arm and screwed up the crossmember. The VW part is totally compatible, so sourcing one from a junk yard would have been the obvious move in 1970-1973.

cheers,
dug
mskala
Anybody notice in the recent thread on 9140430355 that it too has the 'wrong'
crossmember? idea.gif

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sixnotfour
yes but the correct adjuster bolt..need to know spline count on torsion bars/ control arm...
I have 390, 094 , 854 ? , 1853, all have the correct parts
larryM
QUOTE(dug @ Feb 11 2018, 07:19 PM) *


A part's presence in a 48 year old car does not prove anything.

dug


once upon a time we all "used" these cars

and some of us converted "real sixes" to later 911 crossmembers ! (even alu)

- performance goals sometimes outweigh museum-quality objectives

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IronHillRestorations
It also looks like the adjusters were allen socket that had a piece of hex welded in it and cut off to leave a hex stud
larryM
QUOTE(Perry Kiehl @ Jul 26 2018, 03:20 PM) *

It also looks like the adjusters were allen socket that had a piece of hex welded in it and cut off to leave a hex stud


WTF.gif WHY BOTHER?

ya think "they" tho't it makes the car more valuable > or what?
rgalla9146
QUOTE(larryM @ Jul 28 2018, 11:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Perry Kiehl @ Jul 26 2018, 03:20 PM) *

It also looks like the adjusters were allen socket that had a piece of hex welded in it and cut off to leave a hex stud


WTF.gif WHY BOTHER?

ya think "they" tho't it makes the car more valuable > or what?


Less bother than waiting for the replacement part
Expedient 'repair' of a striped Allen socket adjuster.
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