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sixnotfour
QUOTE(dan10101 @ Feb 21 2019, 02:10 PM) *

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Feb 21 2019, 08:25 AM) *

fixed seat, with lots of mini move options, no rear pivot mount.. kids these days


That looks like it would be relatively easy to get in and out.
So it eliminates the rear pivot mount and bolts further back directly to the floorboard?
Makes it easier to start the bolts. Front mount too. I may be remaking my seat mounts...


yes there is a threaded flat bar welded across the back..to the floor
dan10101

A lot has happened.

Finished up the seats, pedals and master cylinders. Made new brake hard lines to plumb in 2 master cylinders. Bled front and back brakes.

I finished the prep work to make ready to attach the fiberglass front end. Fabbed up a mounting piece near the drivers door hinge using the stock fender piece. Then I cleaned off what I thought was fiberglass pieces on the passenger side same piece. However it was combination of the remainder of the fiberglass fender graduating to bondo to meet he fender edge. I'll be putting it back together with DTUZ fasteners initially. After a bit of time I'll determine if I want to bond it on permanently.
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Did a bit of body work on the cowl to ready for the next step.

Primed the windshield seat and a buddy and I dropped the used windshield into place.
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I plumbed the radiator, fuel tank and pump and wired the frunk. Still more wiring troubleshooting to do. The headlights always want to pop up with power applied. Plus I need to wire in the turn signals.
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I re-positioned the radiator mounting so that the GT40 scoop would sit correctly. It's now mounted in place and the hood closes with the stock latch as well as the 2 Aux latches.
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After Andrew got his 914 outlaw running this weekend, I got excited to try mine.

Today I added coolant and oil and gave the key a try. it would have started but I forgot gas... hmmm Oh, and connecting up the computer after all the welding I was doing. After that, VarOOOOOMMMMM. (no mufflers...)

Things to do... (there's still lots to do, but this is what I need to do to drive it..)
Cut out signal light openings in the fiberglass fender.
Wire in turn signals with quick disconnects.
Mount the fiberglass fender and bumper assembly
Take it to DMV for VIN inspection and hope they don't say WTF!!
1st race March 29th.

It's getting close...
tygaboy
"VarOOOOOMMMMM"
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bbrock
Amazing amount of work in record time. Looks fantastic! smilie_pokal.gif popcorn[1].gif
Zippy69
Starting to look like a car again! I am very happy to see the progress.

2 Quick Thoughts:

1. Mufflers - You might want to put the mufflers back on before bringing to DMV!lol. Before you put mufflers back on take a look inside the flex pipes to be sure they haven't constricted down to a much smaller inside diameter. I have heard of this happening from another 914 v8 guy but never witnessed it on your car to date. If you are planning on running mufflers (and I can't imagine running the car without them) you may want to look into purchasing some new High temp muffler grommets for mounting them to the octopus as they tend to deteriorate over time? Note: I put the flex pipes and muffler grommets on at the same time after cracking the header collector because of no flex in the system. Of course I found out the motor mounts were loose and replaced hardware on those at the same time. This was probably the main cause of cracking the header collector.

2. Seats/Seatbelts - Not sure how strict the racetrack you go to is but the Schroth Racing harnesses are old and may be out of date for some racing venues or organizations? Also... I cut holes in the seats to feed seatbelts thru 1st time I failed inspection at Pocono Raceway but never put any rubber protective molding around the bare holes in the fiberglass/carbon. Might want to look at?

Best,

Paul
dan10101
QUOTE(Zippy69 @ Mar 6 2019, 08:49 AM) *

1. Mufflers -

2. Seats/Seatbelts -

Best,

Paul


It's quite loud without mufflers, But I love it! then again, I don't know anywhere I could run it unless it's at the drag strip. but even they require mufflers for street car days.

Thanks for the tip on the seat. I'm planning on belts, but I'll look at some trim around the holes. I'm sure if I was to race it I would need to change the seats as well.

For now it's a Track Toy...
burton73
Hi Dan,

You have been moving right along with this monster. Great focus and pushing through on it shows. I hope you pass smog and have great luck with whatever you want to do with it.

So good health and good luck to you sir,

Bob B
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dan10101
Thanks guys. It's fun to make progress.

No smog for me! piratenanner.gif

I only have to do a Vin inspection. But who knows what scrutiny I'll get for the race car looks.
So today I finished up the turn signal install, wiring for that and figuring out why the headlights would go down when turned on but stay up when turned off. Also installed the wipers and horn. If you look closely it still has the appearance of a street car. idea.gif

Now I need to figure out Dzus fasteners. Can't have the fenders falling off...
Mike Bellis
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dan10101
QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Mar 7 2019, 09:05 PM) *

Amazing progress! first.gif


Thanks Mike,

A bit of a back track today. Turns out the Dzus fasteners i bought were for aluminum or steel panels not fiberglass. Tried to buy them locally, but ended up ordering the correct ones online.

I did manage to get the tie down hooks installed so can trailer it to the DMV. (I'm sure I could have done it without them, but hey...) Also got the muffler installed. Anything to make it look streetable.

And a bit of shop cleanup.. That always helps things go faster in the long run.
Zippy69
I got the car registered at DMV in NJ as a historic. Did not require inspection or smog test. In fact they only needed 2 pictures of the car from front and back. The challenge was explaining the fore and aft sections of the 8 point roll cage at the top of the door windows in the cabin. I explained to the lady at DMV that is not a roll bar that they are stiffening members and very common on old/historic cars with targa tops for structural integrity. Passed with that explanation but apparently would have failed if I called it a roll cage!

LOL
dan10101
QUOTE(Zippy69 @ Mar 8 2019, 05:59 AM) *

I got the car registered at DMV in NJ as a historic. Did not require inspection or smog test. In fact they only needed 2 pictures of the car from front and back. The challenge was explaining the fore and aft sections of the 8 point roll cage at the top of the door windows in the cabin. I explained to the lady at DMV that is not a roll bar that they are stiffening members and very common on old/historic cars with targa tops for structural integrity. Passed with that explanation but apparently would have failed if I called it a roll cage!

LOL


Here in Oregon we have Historic vehicles, but by my calculation it needs to be 1959 or older. We also have a racing vesicle class, but it's mostly for tube frame and open wheel type cars. I could be wrong, or maybe that the next build... smile.gif.
I'm hoping for a standard registration. they are only supposed to be looking at the VIN numbers, but we'll see. Last option is specialty vehicle since it is older than 25 years.
If push comes to shove, I'll cut out the roll bar and go back and try again.
dan10101
So a new picture and a new view. Does anyone know what that means???
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Yes, it's running and driving under it's own power! Made it up and down the driveway with no real issues!

Oh, I colecoed the front fiberglass fenders and bumper. I'll redo it in Dzus fasteners when they arrive next week. By then I should be ready to haul it down to the DMV.

I did a tuneup changed the plugs and wires, and a coil, wrapped the headers to knock down some of the engine noise. it did help.

I also installed some rear view mirrors. Much smaller and lighter than the flag mirrors. Not everyone will like these, but they'll work for now.

I tried to order some tires for the 'other' set of wheels, but the ebay seller must have woke up and he canceled the order when he realized that he was selling for $100 less than the going price. I did find a used race tire dealer that might work for me.

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JRust
So awesome to see it back on the road. Great work Dan! You have on sweet ride there
Cracker
Congratulations Dan! Be careful...you don't want to repeat this process! beerchug.gif

T

tygaboy
Awesome! And GREAT JOB! You've much to be proud of.

(and now that you're, ahem, "done", you can come down and help me! poke.gif )
dan10101
Thanks guys.
I'll be careful...

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"done" LOL!

Zippy69
Lookin Good Dan!

Yes I agree with be careful comment! Car spins easily I would recommend doing it a few times in a parking lot so you can feel where the limit is and getting a feel for the very narrow window of being able to catch it is.

What tires and wheels will be the race set up?
dan10101
QUOTE(Zippy69 @ Mar 10 2019, 09:42 AM) *

Lookin Good Dan!

Yes I agree with be careful comment! Car spins easily I would recommend doing it a few times in a parking lot so you can feel where the limit is and getting a feel for the very narrow window of being able to catch it is.

What tires and wheels will be the race set up?


I'm pretty lucky to have an autocross track local to me. Practice laps are unlimited except for time. It has a great sweeper for checking oversteer/understeer limits.

I'll be starting out with 295s and 245s. Get a feel for the car and make sure everything is working. The second set of wheels allow me to mix and match. Currently I have 295s on the front and 285s on the rear. I'll set everything up for the biggest tire I might want to run and then go from there.

The 2 front 8" wheels are tweaked, so I'm having the tires removed and put on the other front 8" wheels. Once the wheels are straightened and I have some track time on the car, I'll decide if I want 11s/8s with race rubber or 11s/11s whatever is left will have street tire/rain tire setup.
Mueller
Crazy to see how quickly you have this back together and running.
dan10101
QUOTE(Mueller @ Mar 10 2019, 01:44 PM) *

Crazy to see how quickly you have this back together and running.


It helps that I retired just so I could get my hands dirty a few more times.
Zippy69
QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 10 2019, 12:39 PM) *

QUOTE(Zippy69 @ Mar 10 2019, 09:42 AM) *

Lookin Good Dan!

Yes I agree with be careful comment! Car spins easily I would recommend doing it a few times in a parking lot so you can feel where the limit is and getting a feel for the very narrow window of being able to catch it is.

What tires and wheels will be the race set up?


I'm pretty lucky to have an autocross track local to me. Practice laps are unlimited except for time. It has a great sweeper for checking oversteer/understeer limits.

I'll be starting out with 295s and 245s. Get a feel for the car and make sure everything is working. The second set of wheels allow me to mix and match. Currently I have 295s on the front and 285s on the rear. I'll set everything up for the biggest tire I might want to run and then go from there.

The 2 front 8" wheels are tweaked, so I'm having the tires removed and put on the other front 8" wheels. Once the wheels are straightened and I have some track time on the car, I'll decide if I want 11s/8s with race rubber or 11s/11s whatever is left will have street tire/rain tire setup.


I was running Hoosier A6 285/30/18 on turbo twist 10" wheels Rears , 255/35/18 on 8" fronts. The 11" hollow spoke turbo twist wheels that are on the car are good for 295 street tires but I found with A6 295 Rubber they were too close for comfort so went with a 10" rim and 285 instead.
dan10101
it was a big day today. I finally felt confident enough that I could take the car to DMV and pass it off as a street machine. All my worries were for not, as the pretty lady barely even noticed my car on the wait to the VIN locations. She found what she wanted, finished the paperwork and handed me my license plates. It was an answer to prayer.

When I got home I attached the rear license plate and went for my first ride on the open road.
I need to work on the clutch and see if I can get the shifting a bit smoother. I might have a bind in one of the cables.
It doesn't turn very tight to the left. Maybe right too. It has a limiter kit in it, I may adjust looser if the tires don't rub.
Overall the ride went without any bad events. I even got a bit of a burnout when I got home.

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djway
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My 914
A bit of burnout is great!
sb914
Looks fantastic! Nice job.
tygaboy
Dan - Way to go! I can only imagine how pleased you must be. Congrats!
ValcoOscar
Dan-

Your hard work and determination is paying off. Love this thread.
I'm nobody, but for what it's worth...super proud of you!!!

And your son is up there as well.

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Congrats,

Oscar
burton73
QUOTE(My 914 @ Mar 15 2019, 04:12 AM) *

A bit of burnout is great!


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With the 930 and I take it the 930 stub axles and CVs this should work without killing the trans.

Way to go.

Bob B
dan10101
QUOTE(Zippy69 @ Mar 11 2019, 08:31 AM) *

QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 10 2019, 12:39 PM) *

QUOTE(Zippy69 @ Mar 10 2019, 09:42 AM) *

Lookin Good Dan!

Yes I agree with be careful comment! Car spins easily I would recommend doing it a few times in a parking lot so you can feel where the limit is and getting a feel for the very narrow window of being able to catch it is.

What tires and wheels will be the race set up?


I'm pretty lucky to have an autocross track local to me. Practice laps are unlimited except for time. It has a great sweeper for checking oversteer/understeer limits.

I'll be starting out with 295s and 245s. Get a feel for the car and make sure everything is working. The second set of wheels allow me to mix and match. Currently I have 295s on the front and 285s on the rear. I'll set everything up for the biggest tire I might want to run and then go from there.

The 2 front 8" wheels are tweaked, so I'm having the tires removed and put on the other front 8" wheels. Once the wheels are straightened and I have some track time on the car, I'll decide if I want 11s/8s with race rubber or 11s/11s whatever is left will have street tire/rain tire setup.


I was running Hoosier A6 285/30/18 on turbo twist 10" wheels Rears , 255/35/18 on 8" fronts. The 11" hollow spoke turbo twist wheels that are on the car are good for 295 street tires but I found with A6 295 Rubber they were too close for comfort so went with a 10" rim and 285 instead.


Thanks Paul, I'll keep that in mind when I'm looking for tires. I'm also looking for 10" rims. It opens up more tire possibilities.
dan10101
Thanks for the kind words guys.

Yep 930 trans and axles. biggrin.gif
914forme
drooley.gif Wow, way to get this car back on the road and redone, I looked at it several times, and was not going to rebuild it each time I looked at it. the price was just to tempting, if it had a Boxster S transaxle I would have pulled the trigger. So glad you came along and where up to the challenge. pray.gif
ajracer
Hi Dan:

Congrats, very nice job; only tracked some of your posts, but have admired this beast. I also drive LS6 914 which I will say compared to most sports cars this is a real BEAST. Should handle more like a formula car with the mid-engine yet the torque of a muscle car, real challenge will be high speed driving that an autocross won't provide; but with a well sorted car and as you learn to "keep your foot in", just hang on as you enjoy the labour of love from the rebuild. Happy Motoring. Allan

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dan10101
Thanks Stephen
And Allan, very nice car. I'm still torn on red or not. Right now it's white.
Should be fun, but I have to work out some bugs.
My 914
I think it would look great in red.
dan10101
QUOTE(My 914 @ Mar 18 2019, 02:50 AM) *

I think it would look great in red.


I've been a Visualizing... smile.gif

But, my wife is voting for white with stripes.
My issue is if it goes to red, every time I have a stone nick I'll show white thru the red. And for a 75% track car, it will be a lot of nicks.


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tygaboy
Stone chips are just "life's little scars" for cars. It shows they been places and probably have some interesting stories they could tell.

I say paint it red, drive the hell out of it (safely) and "let the chips fall where they may!"

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dan10101
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Mar 18 2019, 02:49 PM) *

Stone chips are just "life's little scars" for cars. It shows they been places and probably have some interesting stories they could tell.

I say paint it red, drive the hell out of it (safely) and "let the chips fall where they may!"

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I like the way you think. But I still think you'd be out there with the touch up paint every time you see a nick. (and I would be too.)
JRust
QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 18 2019, 04:12 PM) *

QUOTE(tygaboy @ Mar 18 2019, 02:49 PM) *

Stone chips are just "life's little scars" for cars. It shows they been places and probably have some interesting stories they could tell.

I say paint it red, drive the hell out of it (safely) and "let the chips fall where they may!"

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I like the way you think. But I still think you'd be out there with the touch up paint every time you see a nick. (and I would be too.)

You could always vinyl wrap it confused24.gif

I loved the Screamsicle look personally but I know that isn't your bag
get off my lawn
Yellow Porsches are faster.
Just sayin.
burton73
QUOTE(JRust @ Mar 18 2019, 08:42 PM) *

QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 18 2019, 04:12 PM) *

QUOTE(tygaboy @ Mar 18 2019, 02:49 PM) *

Stone chips are just "life's little scars" for cars. It shows they been places and probably have some interesting stories they could tell.

I say paint it red, drive the hell out of it (safely) and "let the chips fall where they may!"

happy11.gif lol-2.gif


I like the way you think. But I still think you'd be out there with the touch up paint every time you see a nick. (and I would be too.)

You could always vinyl wrap it confused24.gif

I loved the Screamsicle look personally but I know that isn't your bag
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You could wrap it yourself. You have the skillset and just look on UTube for the hot tips. If it gets a little screwed up just rewrap a fender or door. When you get the UTube tips it is just not that hard and it does not cost that much.

Bob B


dan10101
QUOTE(JRust @ Mar 18 2019, 07:42 PM) *

QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 18 2019, 04:12 PM) *

QUOTE(tygaboy @ Mar 18 2019, 02:49 PM) *

Stone chips are just "life's little scars" for cars. It shows they been places and probably have some interesting stories they could tell.

I say paint it red, drive the hell out of it (safely) and "let the chips fall where they may!"

happy11.gif lol-2.gif


I like the way you think. But I still think you'd be out there with the touch up paint every time you see a nick. (and I would be too.)

You could always vinyl wrap it confused24.gif

I loved the Screamsicle look personally but I know that isn't your bag


The orange is all vinyl, probably once I get it all removed, I'll be done with vinyl. But, you never know. What would be be called with the same graphics in red? Cherysicle? HotPepper? TheRedPill?
dan10101
QUOTE(get off my lawn @ Mar 19 2019, 12:10 PM) *

Yellow Porsches are faster.
Just sayin.


I know a few yellow Porsches with 1/2 the horsepower that I wouldn't want to challenge.
At some point, it may be a fast car, but i just want to have fun, and hope to not embarrass myself too much.
sixnotfour
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At some point, it may be a fast car, but i just want to have fun, and hope to not embarrass myself too much.



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dan10101
QUOTE(burton73 @ Mar 19 2019, 07:46 PM) *

QUOTE(JRust @ Mar 18 2019, 08:42 PM) *

QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 18 2019, 04:12 PM) *

QUOTE(tygaboy @ Mar 18 2019, 02:49 PM) *

Stone chips are just "life's little scars" for cars. It shows they been places and probably have some interesting stories they could tell.

I say paint it red, drive the hell out of it (safely) and "let the chips fall where they may!"

happy11.gif lol-2.gif


I like the way you think. But I still think you'd be out there with the touch up paint every time you see a nick. (and I would be too.)

You could always vinyl wrap it confused24.gif

I loved the Screamsicle look personally but I know that isn't your bag
agree.gif

You could wrap it yourself. You have the skillset and just look on UTube for the hot tips. If it gets a little screwed up just rewrap a fender or door. When you get the UTube tips it is just not that hard and it does not cost that much.

Bob B


That's me! Youtube Master! I'd be 6 months behind schedule without Youtube (and 914world).
My 914
QUOTE(dan10101 @ Mar 18 2019, 05:07 PM) *

QUOTE(My 914 @ Mar 18 2019, 02:50 AM) *

I think it would look great in red.


I've been a Visualizing... smile.gif

But, my wife is voting for white with stripes.
My issue is if it goes to red, every time I have a stone nick I'll show white thru the red. And for a 75% track car, it will be a lot of nicks.


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Since your wife was supportive, I think her vote counts a lot.
Cracker
The right shade of orange looks great on teeners...another option!

T

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Andyrew
QUOTE(Cracker @ Mar 20 2019, 05:33 AM) *

The right shade of orange looks great on teeners...another option!

T

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If I know my dad, I know what color he wont paint it biggrin.gif (Orange/yellow)



His head is like this.

59% Red (Because, thats what color sports cars should be)
30% White (Because thats easy, its a familiar color to the car, and racecar)
10% Silver/blue/black (Because there are some cool options out there)
1% Primer (Because thats the way it'll stay for a while and he may never paint it)
dan10101
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Mar 20 2019, 07:26 AM) *

If I know my dad, I know what color he wont paint it biggrin.gif (Orange/yellow)



His head is like this.

59% Red (Because, thats what color sports cars should be)
30% White (Because thats easy, its a familiar color to the car, and racecar)
10% Silver/blue/black (Because there are some cool options out there)
1% Primer (Because thats the way it'll stay for a while and he may never paint it)


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Or a very close second.

There is another option.
A very light grey (almost white) with black accents. I'm not normally a fan of 'non colors'. But this appeals to me



I would put this one at about 25%. So I guess I would have to take 25% from Red and use Red accents wherever I can.

34% Red (Because, thats what color sports cars should be)
30% White with Red or Black accents(Because thats easy, its a familiar color to the car, and racecar)
25% Light Grey
10% Silver/blue/black (Because there are some cool options out there)
1% Primer (Because thats the way it'll stay for a while and he may never paint it)
If it's primer, it's White Primer... (because I have a gallon of it...)

I had to wash out this picture to get the grey close. It's still a bit to dark but pretty close.
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dan10101


Dumb things I did today..

Fixed the not broken brake lights.. Can anyone guess?
It only took me 4 hours.. Yes, the key was off.

Made duct work for the radiator so all the air wouldn’t go under the car.
Still a bit of cleanup work, (and a lot of shop cleanup), but it’s functional.

Yesterday I fixed the alternator. The moroso cutoff relay was killing the voltage for some reason. So it’s bypassed for now.

The list is getting smaller. I'll drive it a bit tomorrow and get some gas, see if anything else crops up. Only 9 days until it's debut autocross. The great thing about our autocross's is that we get practice. And for the Spring Enduro and Fall Enduro you get several hours of practice as you see fit.

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