dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 7 2018, 11:41 AM
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family. What else could make it more valuable?
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mepstein
Nov 7 2018, 11:58 AM
Are 916’s production cars or prototype cars?
horizontally-opposed
Nov 7 2018, 12:06 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 10:41 AM)
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family.
What else could make it more valuable?9141430195
A set of Avon CR6ZZs or CN36s...as that crowd craves originality and "period correct."
Seriously, this will be a very interesting result to watch.
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 7 2018, 12:06 PM
The fact that they had unique serial numbers, were sold to retail buyers, and at least one came to the U S with the dot sticker in the door jamb also sold new to a retail buyer, in my opinion makes them production cars. HOWEVER, Brutus is indeed a prototype, as it started as a 914-6, had a 914-6 serial number, and was made into a 916 by the factory, and never sold new by Porsche
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 7 2018, 12:08 PM
All THAT crowd at Amelia wants is the story, I have seen filthy non original cars win awards there!!
QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Nov 7 2018, 11:06 AM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 10:41 AM)
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family.
What else could make it more valuable?9141430195
A set of Avon CR6ZZs or CN36s...as that crowd craves originality and "period correct."
Seriously, this will be a very interesting result to watch.
pete000
Nov 7 2018, 12:11 PM
That needs to be in the AA collection...Bid high !
bandjoey
Nov 7 2018, 12:49 PM
A Half Millikn Dollar car?
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 7 2018, 01:07 PM
They are hoping that it sets a record for a 914 type car. If it does, it would be great for all of us, and the 914 would get some more world wide recognition. Look at this article:
http://www.westside-59.com/Worlds-12-Rarest-Cars.htmQUOTE(bandjoey @ Nov 7 2018, 11:49 AM)
A Half Millikn Dollar car?
EdwardBlume
Nov 7 2018, 01:59 PM
I’ll start the bidding...
$100
siverson
Nov 7 2018, 03:35 PM
QUOTE(EdwardBlume @ Nov 7 2018, 12:59 PM)
I’ll start the bidding...
$100
$109.14 from me!
-Steve
Mueller
Nov 7 2018, 03:49 PM
Will you give a discount to the new owner on some of your stainless bumpers to replace those hideous ones currently on the car?
Gustl
Nov 7 2018, 03:55 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 7 2018, 04:02 PM
I thought that she was Ferry's sister?
QUOTE(Gustl @ Nov 7 2018, 02:55 PM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 7 2018, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 03:02 PM)
As usual, thank you very much for the clarification. I thought that she was Ferry's sister?
QUOTE(Gustl @ Nov 7 2018, 02:55 PM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Gustl
Nov 7 2018, 04:10 PM
Louise Porsche was Ferry's sister, and she married Anton Piëch => Louise Piëch
These are the parents of Ferdinand Piëch (husband of Corina)
Larmo63
Nov 7 2018, 04:54 PM
jim_hoyland
Nov 7 2018, 05:06 PM
QUOTE(Gustl @ Nov 7 2018, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
rhodyguy
Nov 7 2018, 05:22 PM
Ferry got around a bit with the ladies.
Porschef
Nov 7 2018, 05:46 PM
Keep it in the family...
rgalla9146
Nov 7 2018, 05:59 PM
Check that right heat exchanger for the MFI warm air.
I saw one of those for sale in Europe years ago.
Look at how the factory did the clutch release arm for the 916 trans.
All cool stuff.
pete000
Nov 7 2018, 07:27 PM
916 = 3 million plus WOW !
bandjoey
Nov 7 2018, 08:29 PM
3 Million?
JmuRiz
Nov 7 2018, 08:50 PM
I guess the auction will set the market, will be an interesting result.
Maltese Falcon
Nov 7 2018, 09:52 PM
Wonder how the yellow 916 is doing these days, it was owned by one of the Porsche gals as well. My old friend Otis Chandler acquired it in the early 1980s from the Porsche Family, he sold it to a collector about 10 years later. It went to a private Porsche museum in Japan. These cars didn't trade for much coin back then; it's all about the 6 and 7 figures today
horizontally-opposed
Nov 7 2018, 10:29 PM
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Nov 7 2018, 08:52 PM)
Wonder how the yellow 916 is doing these days, it was owned by one of the Porsche gals as well. My old friend Otis Chandler acquired it in the early 1980s from the Porsche Family, he sold it to a collector about 10 years later. It went to a private Porsche museum in Japan. These cars didn't trade for much coin back then; it's all about the 6 and 7 figures today
It's alive and well, Marty, and featured in the new version of the book,
Carrera RS. Restored but for the original brown paisley, as it isn't available. Owner has a house in Europe and the U.S. and is definitely one of us...forgot which house he keeps it at.
sixnotfour
Nov 8 2018, 08:45 AM
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
mepstein
Nov 8 2018, 08:48 AM
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 8 2018, 09:45 AM)
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
So 3 mill is asking price, not a sold price?
sixnotfour
Nov 8 2018, 08:55 AM
horizontally-opposed
Nov 8 2018, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 8 2018, 07:55 AM)
^Yep, and I believe it is now restored in its original very dark blue non metallic?
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 8 2018, 10:41 AM
not that I know of, those automotive journalists often fire from the hip
QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 8 2018, 07:48 AM)
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 8 2018, 09:45 AM)
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
So 3 mill is asking price, not a sold price?
horizontally-opposed
Nov 8 2018, 11:21 AM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 8 2018, 09:41 AM)
not that I know of, those automotive journalists often fire from the hip
Way too often.
Been cleaning up after writers for 20 years, and in seeing the raw stuff have been amazed what some writers are willing to see printed with their name on it—or worse, commit a publisher to. The good news: The thoughtful writers outnumber the hip-shooters, in my experience.
sixnotfour
Nov 8 2018, 11:45 AM
my guess for Brutus is 1.2 mil.
9146GUY
Nov 8 2018, 12:53 PM
From another post in this thread......
For those of you with an interest in this car, Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa19
The 916 is the rarest production Porsche ever made, and this one the prototype of the prototype, fitted with a 2.9 RS engine, and personally owned by a member of the Porsche family. What else could make it more valuable?
I can't argue with the provenance of Brutus but I would ask the question how do you know that this car is the "prototype of the prototype" How do know that there aren't other cars out there that are factory built steel roof cars?
GregAmy
Nov 8 2018, 12:58 PM
9141430195 was the first one built, and the only one in 1971, the other 10 being '72s.
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 8 2018, 01:27 PM
QUOTE(GregAmy @ Nov 8 2018, 11:58 AM)
9141430195 was the first one built, and the only one in 1971, the other 10 being '72s.
good man, AND the only 916 with a 914-6 id number, the rest had 916 serial numbers
9146GUY
Nov 8 2018, 01:50 PM
So Porsche built 11 916's all in SN sequence and are all 72's. Can't argue that. But how many other 914's have factory installed steel roof panels? The 908/914 that is in the museum and Brutus are two more besides the 916's. Are there any others that anyone is aware of?
SirAndy
Nov 8 2018, 02:16 PM
QUOTE(9146GUY @ Nov 8 2018, 10:53 AM)
... how do you know ...
The car's early days are actually pretty well documented ...
sixnotfour
Nov 8 2018, 03:26 PM
is there one out there that they say some Porsche branch built way later ??
Gustl
Nov 8 2018, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 8 2018, 03:45 PM)
blue one sold for $ 300k in 06.. I think its austria
no, it's in Germany
yellow #11 and green #13 are in Austria
Dave_Darling
Nov 8 2018, 05:42 PM
I remember seeing the blue one a number of times back when it lived in N. California. Including seeing it driving on El Camino Real, leaving the Stanford Concours. And getting to crawl all over it in the parking lot of the Monterey Historics in 1998. I even have a couple of analog photos of it there...
--DD
pete000
Nov 8 2018, 06:30 PM
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Nov 8 2018, 03:42 PM)
I even have a couple of analog photos of it there...
--DD
Please share !
Maltese Falcon
Nov 8 2018, 07:11 PM
QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Nov 7 2018, 08:29 PM)
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Nov 7 2018, 08:52 PM)
Wonder how the yellow 916 is doing these days, it was owned by one of the Porsche gals as well. My old friend Otis Chandler acquired it in the early 1980s from the Porsche Family, he sold it to a collector about 10 years later. It went to a private Porsche museum in Japan. These cars didn't trade for much coin back then; it's all about the 6 and 7 figures today
It's alive and well, Marty, and featured in the new version of the book,
Carrera RS. Restored but for the original brown paisley, as it isn't available. Owner has a house in Europe and the U.S. and is definitely one of us...forgot which house he keeps it at.
Good to hear that it's in good hands Pete, our cars don't seem to get into the hands of Flippers often. Good caregivers of the 914 are good people
gulf908
Nov 9 2018, 12:18 AM
at the Essen show 2013
it was there for the press day and gone the next !
POA of course
in 1998 at the 50th it belonged to a Ken from LA who I remember was connected with LAX airport (??)
cheers
Dennis
horizontally-opposed
Nov 9 2018, 12:56 AM
QUOTE(gulf908 @ Nov 8 2018, 11:18 PM)
at the Essen show 2013
it was there for the press day and gone the next !
POA of course
in 1998 at the 50th it belonged to a Ken from LA who I remember was connected with LAX airport (??)
cheers
Dennis
Is that the other blue one? Note the black interior...
eitnurg
Nov 9 2018, 02:14 AM
QUOTE
Is that the other blue one? Note the black interior...
?? Neither of them had a black interior - they were either Paisley (9142330017) or tan leather (9142330018)
They can also be recognised by the wheels (although they could be swapped around): 17 they differed front to rear, 18 they were the same (7x15?) all round.
(The rear badging also differs).
9142330017:
Click to view attachment 9142330018 (the ex-navy blue one):
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jim_hoyland
Nov 9 2018, 06:49 AM
Saw this recently, any info on the interior door panel design origins ?
Steve
Nov 9 2018, 08:48 AM
We should plan a trip to the Peterson Museum for those that have not seen Brutus yet.
I heard it's only going to be there until January.
worn
Nov 9 2018, 09:06 AM
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Nov 7 2018, 04:06 PM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Nov 7 2018, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Corina, Corina, where you been so long...
ConeDodger
Nov 9 2018, 09:40 AM
QUOTE(worn @ Nov 9 2018, 12:06 PM)
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Nov 7 2018, 04:06 PM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Nov 7 2018, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Corina, Corina, where you been so long...
Well he’s alive and women live longer. She was his first wife right? A search seems to indicate she holds a patent for a motorcycle helmet?
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Nov 9 2018, 10:03 AM
yes and yes
QUOTE(worn @ Nov 9 2018, 08:06 AM)
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Nov 7 2018, 04:06 PM)
QUOTE(Gustl @ Nov 7 2018, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Nov 7 2018, 06:41 PM)
Brutus the prototype 916 and Corina Porsche's personal car, it will be featured in the RM auction in Paris, Feb 2019
Corina Piëch, not Corina Porsche
she was born as Corina von Planta and married Ferdinand Piëch
Are there pictures of Corina with Brutus ?
And, is she still alive ?
Corina, Corina, where you been so long...
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