Great article on a mid-engine VTEC Swap, but not in a 914!


https://jalopnik.com/a-vtec-swapped-fiat-x1...aign=2019-04-25

That's a good engine. My all-motor Super Touring Civic Si with a K20Z3 puts down ~235 to the wheels - and sounds glorious at 8600 RPM.

I would love to have a K series engine or a F series honda engine in my 914. Heck, even B18 will be good. Maybe someday...

There is a member here who had a F20 engine from S2000.

Would need to be a K (or an F)...the B series turns the other direction (I built and raced a GSR/Type R before the Civic...)

K-series is a stout engine. Better torque too. We initially got 220 wheel from it just by opening the intake and exhaust and ECU tuning...everything else was stock.

It's an easy swap in a transverse mounted situation.

I'm sure Kennedy would make you an adapter plate to bolt to a suby trans or something capable of handling it if you really wanted to put it in a 914

I did it and its awesome. I call it a poor mans NSX.

KEP made my adapter parts for my J35A V6...with VTECH yo!

Subarugears make a adapter for a Honda K engine to a Subaru transaxle .

They made 180k x-19? That is almost twice the number of 914. Really?

Buck

Yeah quite a few Honda engines before the K engines were like that, the B series, D series, H series and F series (except the S2000 F20C/F22C) engines are all counter-clockwise rotating.

I wish all these swaps were fully documented like assembly blueprints, exploded views, prints with the fab'd parts with dimensions, parts lists of fab parts, parts lists of purchased parts ...

OK we will get there someday ...

An engine out of an Evo would be a performer if you could shoehorn one in. I've been eyeing Evos.

Have you read some of the build threads on here? Really easy to go through and duplicate a lot of the work shown here...

And please let's have a reality check. Let's look at the results. This whole thread is about honda boys. Which are very far from performance numbers around here. Yes, I love Hondas. I have been a honda fan since the elsinore days of mortorcycles.

let's get real. I respect the idea. but Audi is a better idea. There are just so many powerplants that make more sense in a 914.

Sure it can be done.

Why not a 1000hp ecotech???

Yes I have read several build thread and they really help. I just would like to see this Honda swap. I am not even sure if it is transverse or longitudinal.

I like some of the math that goes with a 1.8t swap.

cost - don't need trans adaptor
HP/TQ. - good
weight - good

If your biggest concern is the cost of a trans adapter, you aren't ready to play. No offense, but what is your budget?

Didn't Felix put a Nissan V6 in his car? I don't know if he still hangs around.

That's why he doesn't hang around anymore. Successes don't disappear. [poking at a treasured old timer]
So many bad ideas, so little successes. Which is why we learn and do what works.
Every success gets a huge feed we can learn from. Every failure dies and withers away.

Felix aka the Neo 914? No it has an Audi 2.7TT v6.

You want to talk about a GREAT honda motor for the 914?

The Honda J35 v6.
210-290HP, Light, Lasts forever, been around forever, cheap and plentiful, and a sporty powerband with Vtech!



Just about any of the closed deck inline 4 cylinder motors can make well over 700hp with a fully built motor and enough boost... Just pick a manufacturer your familiar with and your comfortable with their motors.... Be it honda, toyota, mitsubishi, ford, chevy, or vw...

Damn Rand.

I have a Nissan VQ30de v6. Malmz had an older Nissan VG30i v6 w/carb. Felix did an Audi 2.7TT with most of the dash, it got more involved than he was planning.
Malmz sold his. Mine ran until I parked it . Felix needs to come hang out with us again....

And not in your car for so many reasons.

You blow up that J35 V6 and you are looking at $300 to get another one.

If I could get a good running 911 SC motor for $300 my car would be a lot more original looking.

I just had a "duh" moment...couldn't you just use a 911 transaxle and spin it around 180 degrees...? A B18C1 or C5 at 8,500 RPM would sound nice...

Anyone think about the 1.5 turbo motors used in the '17 and newer Civics?

Stock Si is 200hp and from everything I've read it is fairly inexpensive and easy to get quite a bit more out of them.

That would be an even lighter setup I would think than my J35 V6.

Turbo, intercoolers, plumbing, ect ect adds a lot more weight and complexity than you think.....

Just saying

Should work... But you could just as easily run a honda trans and save weight/space and put the radiator in front of the motor..

The part I don't like about the transverse idea is that it's going to place a lot of the weight behind the rear axles. Both the K and the B race cars I had placed the vast majority of the drivetrain behind the axle centerline...which on a 914 would be behind the rear axle (take a peek inside a Civic or Integra hood).

I'd rather see the engine mounted longitudinally in front of the rear axle.

The torque on my current K20Z3 is much nicer than the horsepower of the Integra Type R I raced. And it turns the "right" direction...225 wheel ponies and very-usable torque with stock long block and outside bolt-ons.

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Or you can do what I'm doing. A 4AGE already spins the right way- with it's stock ITB's fitted with some velocity stacks at 8300 RPM would sound real REAL nice