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Grubeguy
I have finally convinced my dad that his '74 914 project belongs in my garage. Years ago, he replaced the engine with an Olds aluminum engine (same as a modern Range Rover) with a 4-barrel. Everything mated together with the help of Kennedy Engineering adapters and such.

I've owned a bevvy of classic and german cars, but this is my first 914. I'm look for advice, best places to go for parts, advice on body kits if available, things to look for when getting the little guy going ...
Larmo63
We need pictures of this project so some people here that know about 914s (I don't know shit about them) can give their expert opinion.

And....

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BeatNavy
A new member in the DC area. Nice.

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StarBear
Welcome aboard! This is DEFINITELY the place for help, tips and such (including new acronyms and such). Have a '74 (original owner) and couldn't keep it running without all the helpful folks and knowledge. Amazing how many new posts each day, eh?
ConeDodger
Same engine as the Triumph TR8! Nice!
SirAndy
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 21 2019, 04:41 PM) *
We need pictures of this project so we can give expert opinion.

And then we need to find him those experts ...
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914-300Hemi
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Larmo63
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 21 2019, 06:59 PM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 21 2019, 04:41 PM) *
We need pictures of this project so we can give expert opinion.

And then we need to find him those experts ...
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I'm sure a few will check in (not me, I'm still learning) and give him help....?

I won't comment anymore until I learn more about Porsche automobiles.

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Chi-town
A Rover / Buick aluminum V8 is an interesting little motor with decent potential.

Pics please
porschetub
QUOTE(Chi-town @ May 22 2019, 04:08 PM) *

A Rover / Buick aluminum V8 is an interesting little motor with decent potential.

Pics please


Yes to a point but very old design and thirsty even in EFI form ,RR ditched these years ago,not really a good choice of engine IMO as what ever the Brits fitted them to (Stag,TR8 or RR) they still had issues.
The Buick 3.8 v6 is a way better engine in latter form and will most likely be the cheapest replacement engine you could buy.
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billh1963
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QUOTE(Chi-town @ May 22 2019, 04:08 PM) *

A Rover / Buick aluminum V8 is an interesting little motor with decent potential.

Pics please


Yes to a point but very old design and thirsty even in EFI form ,RR ditched these years ago,not really a good choice of engine IMO as what ever the Brits fitted them to (Stag,TR8 or RR) they still had issues.
The Buick 3.8 v6 is a way better engine in latter form and will most likely be the cheapest replacement engine you could buy.
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The Triumph Stag V8 was an in house developed engine. It was not the Buick derived motor.
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Grubeguy
<laugh> Ok ok, pics coming in short order :)

First thing that comes to mind is how much power the native tranny can take. Am I going to have to worry about stripping the gears during a hard acceleration?
porschetub
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QUOTE(porschetub @ May 22 2019, 03:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Chi-town @ May 22 2019, 04:08 PM) *

A Rover / Buick aluminum V8 is an interesting little motor with decent potential.

Pics please


Yes to a point but very old design and thirsty even in EFI form ,RR ditched these years ago,not really a good choice of engine IMO as what ever the Brits fitted them to (Stag,TR8 or RR) they still had issues.
The Buick 3.8 v6 is a way better engine in latter form and will most likely be the cheapest replacement engine you could buy.
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The Triumph Stag V8 was an in house developed engine. It was not the Buick derived motor.


Thanks you are correct,another fairly awful engine however,some folks have found ways to stop them overheating.
SirAndy
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 21 2019, 09:00 PM) *
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 21 2019, 06:59 PM) *
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 21 2019, 04:41 PM) *
We need pictures of this project so we can give expert opinion.

And then we need to find him those experts ...
biggrin.gif

I'm sure a few will check in (not me, I'm still learning) and give him help....?
I won't comment anymore until I learn more about Porsche automobiles.
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Sweet beer Jesus someone is trigger happy today ...
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rhodyguy
Don't worry about the fuel mileage. Goes with the territory.
Grubeguy
OK, these are the only three pics I have of the car. At some point in the future, when it gets here, I'll take more.

I'm now in search of a transport company ... I freakin hate this part.

914_teener
Early bumpers on a 74? Or are those 73 bumpers on a 74?

Rob-O
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 21 2019, 08:00 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 21 2019, 06:59 PM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 21 2019, 04:41 PM) *
We need pictures of this project so we can give expert opinion.

And then we need to find him those experts ...
biggrin.gif

I'm sure a few will check in (not me, I'm still learning) and give him help....?

I won't comment anymore until I learn more about Porsche automobiles.

stromberg.gif


Wait, this is a Porsche Forum? Uhhh, my apologies to any who have taken my advice in the past 16 years. I thought this was a Big Block Trans Am forum! sad.gif biggrin.gif

BTW, Larmo is lying...
Dave_Darling
QUOTE(914_teener @ May 22 2019, 09:27 PM) *

Early bumpers on a 74? Or are those 73 bumpers on a 74?


Either late-71 through 73 rear bumper, or a 74 with the bumperette holes welded up.

Either way, it has some interesting license plate lights added onto the middle...

--DD
Grubeguy
My knowledge of the 914 pedigree is exactly zero ... How does one tell the year of the car through the bumper?
914_teener
I'm betting Larwrence our resident 914 "non expert" can answer this one... stirthepot.gif

I believe DD our resident psuedo expert is correct...they are not 74 bumpers unless the "bumperette" holes have been welded up and the license plate light are not stock.

So if it is a MY74....those are not the original bumpers.

We'll see if Larwrence chimes in.
Rob-O
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My knowledge of the 914 pedigree is exactly zero ... How does one tell the year of the car through the bumper?


1970-72 had steel bumpers that were chrome, with no ‘bumperettes’ front or rear.

1973 had steel bumpers that were chrome, but the front bumper had ‘bumperettes’ to help it pass the 5mph tests required at the time.

1974 had steel bumpers that were painted black with ‘bumperettes’ on the front AND rear.

1975 and 1976 has large rubber bumpers. Actually they were covers that covered a steel bumper under the cover. The steel bumper was attached to shock absorbing units that were bolted to the body.

So...when you say the car is a 1974, we look at the bumpers and see no holes in the bumpers that would be used to bolt the bumperettes to the bumper. So we assume that they’re bumpers from an earlier car (1970-1972 with no bumperettes and hence no holes in the bumper) OR they’re 1973 or 1974 bumpers where the holes have been welded up and the bumper possibly rechromed.

ClayPerrine
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QUOTE(Grubeguy @ May 23 2019, 01:51 PM) *

My knowledge of the 914 pedigree is exactly zero ... How does one tell the year of the car through the bumper?


1970-72 had steel bumpers that were chrome, with no ‘bumperettes’ front or rear.

1973 had steel bumpers that were chrome, but the front bumper had ‘bumperettes’ to help it pass the 5mph tests required at the time.

1974 had steel bumpers that were painted black with ‘bumperettes’ on the front AND rear.

1975 and 1976 has large rubber bumpers. Actually they were covers that covered a steel bumper under the cover. The steel bumper was attached to shock absorbing units that were bolted to the body.

So...when you say the car is a 1974, we look at the bumpers and see no holes in the bumpers that would be used to bolt the bumperettes to the bumper. So we assume that they’re bumpers from an earlier car (1970-1972 with no bumperettes and hence no holes in the bumper) OR they’re 1973 or 1974 bumpers where the holes have been welded up and the bumper possibly rechromed.


Rob,
74 had available chrome bumpers also.

Clay
bbrock
QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ May 23 2019, 08:31 PM) *

Rob,
74 had available chrome bumpers also.

Clay


and 73 had available black painted bumpers.
914_teener
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QUOTE(Rob-O @ May 23 2019, 08:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Grubeguy @ May 23 2019, 01:51 PM) *

My knowledge of the 914 pedigree is exactly zero ... How does one tell the year of the car through the bumper?


1970-72 had steel bumpers that were chrome, with no ‘bumperettes’ front or rear.

1973 had steel bumpers that were chrome, but the front bumper had ‘bumperettes’ to help it pass the 5mph tests required at the time.

1974 had steel bumpers that were painted black with ‘bumperettes’ on the front AND rear.

1975 and 1976 has large rubber bumpers. Actually they were covers that covered a steel bumper under the cover. The steel bumper was attached to shock absorbing units that were bolted to the body.

So...when you say the car is a 1974, we look at the bumpers and see no holes in the bumpers that would be used to bolt the bumperettes to the bumper. So we assume that they’re bumpers from an earlier car (1970-1972 with no bumperettes and hence no holes in the bumper) OR they’re 1973 or 1974 bumpers where the holes have been welded up and the bumper possibly rechromed.


Rob,
74 had available chrome bumpers also.

Clay



Look at that Clay....he was politically correct and didn't call them Tits.

So...

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Rob-O
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ May 23 2019, 07:31 PM) *

QUOTE(Rob-O @ May 23 2019, 08:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Grubeguy @ May 23 2019, 01:51 PM) *

My knowledge of the 914 pedigree is exactly zero ... How does one tell the year of the car through the bumper?


1970-72 had steel bumpers that were chrome, with no ‘bumperettes’ front or rear.

1973 had steel bumpers that were chrome, but the front bumper had ‘bumperettes’ to help it pass the 5mph tests required at the time.

1974 had steel bumpers that were painted black with ‘bumperettes’ on the front AND rear.

1975 and 1976 has large rubber bumpers. Actually they were covers that covered a steel bumper under the cover. The steel bumper was attached to shock absorbing units that were bolted to the body.

So...when you say the car is a 1974, we look at the bumpers and see no holes in the bumpers that would be used to bolt the bumperettes to the bumper. So we assume that they’re bumpers from an earlier car (1970-1972 with no bumperettes and hence no holes in the bumper) OR they’re 1973 or 1974 bumpers where the holes have been welded up and the bumper possibly rechromed.


Rob,
74 had available chrome bumpers also.

Clay



Look at that Clay....he was politically correct and didn't call them Tits.

So...

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Knew about the ‘74’s and chrome, forgot to put that in. I didn’t know the ‘73’s were available in black.

I’m surprised nobody mentioned that the early bumpers were also available painted the same color as the body of the car. I forgot to put that down as well!
injunmort
you don't tell the year of the car by the bumpers. many were changed due to backdating (later cars) damage, rust etc. vin number will tell you year if the the tag is gone. you really can only tell the year of the bumper by the bumper.
914_teener
QUOTE(injunmort @ May 24 2019, 07:42 AM) *

you don't tell the year of the car by the bumpers. many were changed due to backdating (later cars) damage, rust etc. vin number will tell you year if the the tag is gone. you really can only tell the year of the bumper by the bumper.



Agreed....so the OP should look inside the drivers side door where is says what year the chassis is.

gandalf_025
Those aluminum 215 ci V8’s were really great in an MGB.
Add 100 hp and drop 100lbs of weight over the cast iron 4.
There is an old Hot Rod Magazine that shows how to take
the 215 Ci displacement and bring it up to 350 ci.
Makes a GREAT lightweight engine for a lot of applications.
UROpartsman
Welcome! You've definitely come to the right place, and will be spending lots of time in this forum.
KELTY360
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Welcome! You've definitely come to the right place, and will be spending lots of time in this forum.

JRust had a 914 with that engine a few years ago.
worn
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Welcome! You've definitely come to the right place, and will be spending lots of time in this forum.

I sure hope he comes back after we have claimed to know nothing about Porsche’s, and then piled onto welded bolt holes in the bumper. Honest, this is a great group of folks who only rarely get held up by the details when you ask a general question. How did Andy’s thing go? Sweet Jesus in a chicken basket? No, that was the moon landing. I digress. welcome.png
Rob-O
I stayed on topic! Well, I at least answered why we all thought what we thought about the bumpers. Imagine all the info he’ll get as he asks more questions! To say nothing of the search function.

I suppose I look forward to the time when the new guys search a subject and then come back and ask us who Cap’N Krusty was...
lierofox
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I stayed on topic! Well, I at least answered why we all thought what we thought about the bumpers. Imagine all the info he’ll get as he asks more questions! To say nothing of the search function.

I suppose I look forward to the time when the new guys search a subject and then come back and ask us who Cap’N Krusty was...


Oh man, that thread was made 2 days after I created my account.

Rest in peace Cap'n.
Dave_Darling
QUOTE(Grubeguy @ May 23 2019, 02:51 PM) *

My knowledge of the 914 pedigree is exactly zero ... How does one tell the year of the car through the bumper?


You can estimate the year that a particular bumper came off of, but as was said earlier it's not terribly difficult to change around the bumpers.

Front bumpers: 70-72 cars had either body-colored bumpers or chrome.
73-74 cars had black bumpers or chrome. (Or was the non-chrome option in 73 body colored as well?) The front bumper had rubber "tits" on it.
75-76 cars had the large black rubber-covered bumpers.

Rear bumpers: 70-early 71 had either chrome or body colored. The recess for the license plate had beveled edges with straight-line corners. This bumper was also the type used on the 914-6, and can be worth some money because of that.
Mid-71-72 cars had body colored or chrome, but the edge of the license plate recess was curved.
73 cars had bumpers that were identical to the 72 bumpers, except the non-chrome option might have been black instead of body color. Again, I'm not sure on that.
74 cars had either black or chrome bumpers, but had the rubber bumper "tits" on them as well as on the front.
75-76 cars had the large black rubber-covered bumpers.

--DD
Rand
Props Curt.
914_7T3
QUOTE(914_teener @ May 23 2019, 05:22 PM) *

I'm betting Larwrence our resident 914 "non expert" can answer this one... stirthepot.gif

I believe DD our resident psuedo expert is correct...they are not 74 bumpers unless the "bumperette" holes have been welded up and the license plate light are not stock.

So if it is a MY74....those are not the original bumpers.

We'll see if Larwrence chimes in.


Not to bag on @Larmo63 , but his speciality is actually mirrors! poke.gif

If you ever need an unbiased opinion on the aesthetic value of a 914, just ping Lawrence and he will be happy to tell you how it is. laugh.gif
Larmo63
Okay, I know mirrors.

I'll take that. Anything else, not so much.
Grubeguy
OK, so great turorial on bumpers. I frankly like the look of the chrome ones better, year of origin be damned.

How much horsepower can the transmission take? I was unaware my engine could be bumped to a 350, which of course interests the hell out of me. I'm just concerned that I'd grenade the transmission, thus wondering how stout the thing is.
Al Meredith
I think you can get transmission HP and TQU capacity from KEP (Kennedy Engineered Products) . I remember seeing it in one of their catalogs
Grubeguy
I tried that - I think I clicked on every part of their site, to no avail
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