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BPic
Looks great if you don't want your guages.


https://www.facebook.com/ClassicRetrofit/vi...1597339260/?t=1
raynekat
Electric AC would be great.
How big of an alternator/battery will you need to power it?
burton73
I have told Eric I want AC in 41. He refuses to answer me. - wub.gif LOL-

Bob B
burton73
QUOTE(raynekat @ Feb 6 2020, 03:52 PM) *

Electric AC would be great.
How big of an alternator/battery will you need to power it?



I think this is just the fan part. You would need a bunch more to do it

Bob B wacko.gif
BPic
QUOTE(burton73 @ Feb 6 2020, 06:58 PM) *

QUOTE(raynekat @ Feb 6 2020, 03:52 PM) *

Electric AC would be great.
How big of an alternator/battery will you need to power it?



I think this is just the fan part. You would need a bunch more to do it

Bob B wacko.gif


Yep. Just the evap and blower. Still need a compressor but a nice design. They are working on an electric version like they made for the 911. But claim you can go electric or conventional compressor. Will most certainly need a higher amp alternator if you go electric.
Mark Henry
QUOTE(burton73 @ Feb 6 2020, 06:58 PM) *

QUOTE(raynekat @ Feb 6 2020, 03:52 PM) *

Electric AC would be great.
How big of an alternator/battery will you need to power it?



I think this is just the fan part. You would need a bunch more to do it

Bob B wacko.gif


Yes that's what they say it's just the evaporator and fan, the compressor/condenser (whole package) is still under development.
If you have to have AC this seems like a cool alternative....pun intended.

IIRC the electric unit was 40 amps, so an alternator upgrade would also be in order.
mepstein
Yes. They sell a high amp alternator. The stock one on a 3.2 is just adequate. My shop has done a bunch in 911s. Pricey but well done.

I’m not a center console guy but I would happily put that in my car. Cool idea!
PanelBilly
Great idea. I didn't like the old under dash design. I'm hurting for every inch of leg room now.
PanelBilly
Great idea. I didn't like the old under dash design. I'm hurting for every inch of leg room now.
DickSteinkamp
QUOTE(mepstein @ Feb 6 2020, 04:35 PM) *



I’m not a center console guy but I would happily put that in my car. Cool idea!


I'm not a center console guy either. I think they are "unsportscar like". A rather bulky and intrusive way to add 3 pretty much unneeded gauges.

OTOH, this is a much better way to add the evaporator than the clunky under dash units. The fully enclosed console shown is much more attractive than the open one that came as an option.

The best solution is forgetabout AC. Take of fthe top and roll down the windows (easy to say here in the PNW smile.gif )
Superhawk996
QUOTE(DickSteinkamp @ Feb 6 2020, 07:53 PM) *


The best solution is forgetabout AC. Take of fthe top and roll down the windows (easy to say here in the PNW smile.gif )


happy11.gif true on both accounts. 90F & 90% R.H here in the summers. Still have have thoughts of how to do AC without the butchery.
jim_hoyland
That would make an interesting heater blower.... smile.gif
ConeDodger
That thing is loud AF! blink.gif
horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(DickSteinkamp @ Feb 6 2020, 04:53 PM) *

The best solution is forgetabout AC. Take of fthe top and roll down the windows (easy to say here in the PNW smile.gif )


The best solution is cloth seat centers, as I recently discovered with Scheels.

Oh, and amen. I thought I might want A/C, but not this much.

(Now, if a system could be done in the front trunk and run through the normal dash vents—and particular if said electric A/C system also avoided the need to spend thousands to get heater boxes, I might be back in the hunt. Then again, cloth seats are pretty wonderful....)
RickS
Just wait until you see the price!

Wanted their fresh air blower for the SC and it alone was $1,150, so I passed and that was 3 years ago. That does not include AC and additional plumbing and switches. the complete kit is about $3,500 U.S.

Maybe if I lived in a hot humid clime it would be worth it.
Chi-town
Put this assembly where the foam goes on the pass floor run a hose to each dash vent (sorry early cars) and ad a nice compact 2 square vent assembly under the dash in the center.
JmuRiz
Interesting stuff, I love the idea of A/C in our cars.

It'll be worth looking at. Maybe I should upgrade my alternator, just in case, before I have the engine put back together.

As far as it being loud, looks like it's on max-speed and my engine will drown out the sound anyway biggrin.gif

Now, if they could put the blower where the fresh air box is under the frunk-vent.....then it could work as a good defogger too wink.gif
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Feb 7 2020, 10:31 AM) *

Interesting stuff, I love the idea of A/C in our cars.

It'll be worth looking at. Maybe I should upgrade my alternator, just in case, before I have the engine put back together.

As far as it being loud, looks like it's on max-speed and my engine will drown out the sound anyway biggrin.gif

Now, if they could put the blower where the fresh air box is under the frunk-vent.....then it could work as a good defogger too wink.gif

I agree, and i think that if that is compact enough to fit in a center console then it should fit in the fresh air box space with little issue, just need the box to fit it in, and also you are then right we’re the deflectors and hoses are. Seems it would have been just a s easy to engineer that than what they did here.
Mark Henry
This is a cheaper solution.... biggrin.gif
rgalla9146
Can an electric AC compressor system orerate with a 175 amp alternator ?
Mikey914
QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Feb 7 2020, 08:52 AM) *

Can an electric AC compressor system orerate with a 175 amp alternator ?

With adequate battery buffer yes. question is how long.
mepstein
QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Feb 7 2020, 11:52 AM) *

Can an electric AC compressor system orerate with a 175 amp alternator ?

“UPGRADED ALTERNATORS

Classic Retrofit's high output alternator developed in conjunction with WOS Performance is the ONLY alternator available for the 911 that can deliver a continuous current in excess of 100A. The alternator can deliver 75A at idle.

The design uses all new 6 phase internals inside a billet alloy casing that bolts into the 911 fan housing. It is a direct fit to early cars and requires spacers to fit mid and later years.

Other 'rewound' alternators claim high output but cannot reject the heat generated by the windings for a sustained period. “

https://www.classicretrofit.com/collections...ded-alternators
JmuRiz
Ouch, that'd be like $1k for an alternator
rgalla9146
QUOTE(mepstein @ Feb 7 2020, 03:30 PM) *

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Feb 7 2020, 11:52 AM) *

Can an electric AC compressor system orerate with a 175 amp alternator ?

“UPGRADED ALTERNATORS

Classic Retrofit's high output alternator developed in conjunction with WOS Performance is the ONLY alternator available for the 911 that can deliver a continuous current in excess of 100A. The alternator can deliver 75A at idle.

The design uses all new 6 phase internals inside a billet alloy casing that bolts into the 911 fan housing. It is a direct fit to early cars and requires spacers to fit mid and later years.

Other 'rewound' alternators claim high output but cannot reject the heat generated by the windings for a sustained period. “

https://www.classicretrofit.com/collections...ded-alternators


Mark did you see Pete Stouts link to 175 amp 914 6 alternator ?.....I saw it just yesterday. All new manufacture.
GeorgeRud
I’d think the underdash distribution/control ducts with the electric compressor would be a nice setup for a -6. Wouldn’t have to hack up the firewall to clear the compressor mount. I don’t know if a condenser on the engine lid (ala 911) would make it a viable setup. A larger alternator could make it work, though not inexpensively.
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