Vin verification has been done
Dealer can print a plate, but not a title.
Title required to ship overseas.
DMV closed for a while, unless it’s simple online transactions
I suspect title work requires an appt now.

You sure got into a messy thing with bad timing.
I would suggest you get a refund.

Thank you for the details, I did not see these progressions, just a lot of excuses.

Dealer or AAA club ( may be closed for now) can submit docs online. Paper docs can be mailed in to be processed in Sacramento, takes 7 days. Did the smog last Sat, got my docs and sticker yesterday.

Had appt at DMV on Mar 10 to transfer and register vessel, title and sticker arrives the following week.

BTW, both of these transactions are personal so dealer should be same or quicker responses.

Notwithstanding what the car is or is not, you can try calling the DMV direct in Sacramento (916) 657-8035 and speak to one of their techs. They are super helpful and knowledgeable. Hopefully you can get someone on the phone who can walk you through the process first hand.

I’ve had great experiences when calling HQ. Good luck to you for a successful outcome.

Have you seen the rust buckets TDSkip buys? You wouldn't want him to do a PPI for you.

Get your money back and keep saving for the right car.

BHCC has a bad name, I don't care what anybody says.

Ok guys, no news yet, but looking forward already!

I got a tip from a fellow forum member about this car:


Porsche 914 copper

Before rushing in to another bad buy, what do you guys think?!

When I was researching the color I found this link.

Is somebody willing to inspect that car for me? If so please contact me!

Assuming you are kidding, because otherwise you are kind of being obnoxious not to mention just wrong. I like saving cars and don’t mind metal work, that doesn’t mean I don’t know that I am buying and why. I’ve put four back on the road (with lots of coaching from the community here)....

That sure looks like Copper Metallic rather than a paint to sample color on it now.

Think that was on barn finds, obviously you need to decide if you want a big bumper car.

I don't want a big bumper car, IF I were to buy that car I would ship it with chrome bumper set from AA.

While it is more fun to look I’d suggest getting whatever you decide to do with BHCC sorted, it’s going to likely be a bit of a buyers market for classics over the next 6 months. Buy as close to the final car you want as your can.

I can't speak from personal experience but please research LostTreasure on this sight before moving forward any further on this car. Make an informed decision.

+1

Thanks... so the links were right.

I guess it's not that easy buying a clean teener.

correct and due to more sellers jumping into the 914world of cars due to values going up we have even more that cant be trusted. you should not buy from anyone unknown to the community here or without having a full PPI or putting your eyes on it!!
now, i have a 75 914 2.o appearance group car, code L99K which is the code for Copper metallic, only available by special order in 1975 only. this looks like copper metallic and it is a rare color. I know of one last year that went from Florida to your area in Europe, mine, Jim Hoyland's car in So Cal ( he is selling soon so contact him if you want a know car that's well taken care of) and there is one being sold by 914ltd in Peoria Illinois, it his own car and has backdated bumpers but otherwise is an unmolested copper metallic car owned by a professional Porsche 914 specialist/mechanic!! i Say buy that car and you will know exactly what you are getting, from Brad - Brad Mayeur -https://914ltd.com/

so there you go.

Phil

Brad Mayeur has a great reputation, and I would feel comfortable buying fro him for sure.

Gave Brad a call. Nice guy!
He agreed to drop me a note if he's got something in my price range.

Get out of the current deal before getting into any other deal.

^^^^
This is excellent advice

I'd slightly disagree here, there are plenty of good cars available but takes more money than previously. Significantly more money than 3 years ago...and not everyone can swing that. I wish the prices didn't move so much so as many new owners could jump in as possible but prices have. So you either have to pay up or take a different approach.

My approach - which isn't something I'd recommend frankly - has been acquire a small fleet of cars that have good bones but need things what would put other people off. I weld and have access to a fabrication shop. I have the space, Hagerty insurance makes it cheap to have them in run around town for cheap mode.

I deliberately chose challenging cars since it forces me to really learn and develop new skills. I also deliberately chose cars that had different configurations and trajectories as to what they "wanted" to be so I'd learn as much as possible.

My rule of thumb is to buy the best, but if not then buy what other people dismiss as the worst but actually have a good core when you look more closely. The recent racecar was just for fun and hard to lose money on (it was a nice bonus that it runs and drives now), but prior to that I paid $2,500 for an AZ car with outstanding longs and trunk that just needed some metal repair where the AC lines had been run. Never been hit, all the factory welds in place, but didn't run right and needed everything. Scruffy as heck but all of that gets replaced before you use the cars for touring events (as I do) anyway. The cars get banged up on that stuff so having a really nice one - which many people here do and have amazing work on - just isn’t my goal.

Click to view attachment

I'd second 914LTD,
Brad has been a stand up guy and a Porsche tech for years. A straight shooter.
His reputation proceeds him.

Kidding you , not kidding about BHCC.

Yesterday another page was added to this never ending story.

Sunday I mailed BHCC with an proposal that they keep 5% of the purchase value and cancel the deal. They refused. Yesterday the said the papers weren in to file for a new title. I have actually seen a document this time and it was indeed dated on 03/23/2020.

Like you already know, at this time I lost all interest in the car. So I made them a new proposal to pay 10% of the purchase price. Waiting on their response right now.

Hopefully they will accept that offer. If not I will sit this out and try to sell the car once it's here. If it ever does...

04? As in April? That would make the title like a post dated check. Worthless...sorry for your woes. BHCC has you by the short hairs.

Sorry 3. Fixed it.

Can someone post pictures of the car underneath? It looks pretty nice externally.

https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-po...914-c-10551.htm

Gosh doesn't look that bad.. I don't recall seeing a price but looks like a door jamb, maybe hell hole and trunk floor.. I am sure they will come through on this sale as the market is tanked worldwide.. They need to make the sale..

Unless I've read it wrong, they already have the money. The stall is on the title and then what ever is involved with transport to Long Beach(?) and then wherever in Europe. I would not fancy that ordeal one bit. The rust stains weeping out the bottom from behind the rockers is disheartening.

WOW! read the post update...

Rust Everywhere.

Click to view attachment

Man that's nothing.. Have you seen my thread @bbrock or @superhawk996 threads? Its not terribly bad for this day an age.

Yep... Especially for you. You've got the skills.

But, this is just the tip of the iceberg. If rust is coming though in so many places, it's only going to get deeper and deeper once you dig into it. And that is not knowing anything about the hell hole or the longs.

Would be better to find a solid body needing mechanical help... that's all.

Any dealer or private party that accepts payment for a car that is to be registered and driven without being able to furnish a clean transferable title is dishonest. This transaction needs to be reversed. The dealer needs to be reported to the DMV and the Attorney General of California for appropriate action.

And do you have source of this?
Because right now I can't find anything like that on the site of the DMV, nor can I find something like that on any consumer advise sites.

As long as I don't have anything written to prove otherwise I have no real leverage on them.

That's my main issue right now. Everybody is helping me with good advice on what to to, but there is never any confirmation or source what could be used as leverage.

@RenoRoger - we've been over this, it is a different situation and making blanket statement that don't apply doesn't help anyone.

@911GT2 - you either wait or find something in California law that applies, otherwise you throw money at it. While unfortunate this isn't unprecedented by any means and unless you can show bad faith or a huge (like year not weeks) amount of time without performance you are stuck with your deal.

What would be helpful is if there is anything in the California statutes that gives a dealer a time window, regardless of the cause of the delay, to delivery title on a preowned car. I've never had to track that down, if anyone has a specific statutory reference please post it.

I'll look this morning.

Well this took all of 30 seconds on Google to find.

I am not an attorney, but it appears this transaction is covered by the following statute. I'd suggest anyone wanting to make an inflammatory statement read this and then carefully re-read section D before posting.

Vehicle Code - VEH
DIVISION 3. REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES AND CERTIFICATES OF TITLE [4000 - 9808] ( Division 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

CHAPTER 2. Transfers of Title or Interest [5600 - 6105] ( Chapter 2 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/co...sectionNum=5753

(a) It is unlawful for any person to fail or neglect properly to endorse, date, and deliver the certificate of ownership and, when having possession, to deliver the registration card to a transferee who is lawfully entitled to a transfer of registration.

(b) Except when the certificate of ownership is demanded in writing by a purchaser, a vehicle dealer licensed under this code shall satisfy the delivery requirement of this section by submitting appropriate documents and fees to the department for transfer of registration in accordance with Sections 5906 and 4456 of this code and rules and regulations promulgated thereunder.

© (1) Within 15 business days after receiving payment in full for the satisfaction of a security interest and a written instrument signed by the grantor of the security interest designating the transferee and authorizing release of the legal owner’s interest, the legal owner shall release its security interest and mail, transmit, or deliver the vehicle’s certificate of ownership to the transferee who, due to satisfaction of the security interest, is lawfully entitled to the transfer of legal ownership.

(2) If a lease provides a lessee with the option to purchase the leased vehicle, within 15 business days after receiving payment in full for the purchase, and all documents necessary to effect the transfer, the lessor shall mail, transmit, or deliver the vehicle’s certificate of ownership to the transferee, who, due to purchase of the vehicle, is lawfully entitled to the transfer of legal ownership.

(d) The certificate of ownership delivered pursuant to subdivision © shall be signed by the legal owner or lessor to reflect release of the legal owner’s interest or transfer of the lessor’s interest in the vehicle or accompanied by a form provided by the department to accomplish the same result and signed by the legal owner or lessor. If the legal owner or lessor is not in possession or control of the certificate of ownership, the legal owner or lessor shall, within the time provided in subdivision © for the mailing, transmittal, or delivery of the certificate of ownership, take any action required by the department to release the legal owner’s security interest or transfer the lessor’s interest in the vehicle and within that time shall mail, transmit, or deliver written notice of its taking that action to the transferee.

(e) A legal owner or lessor that fails to satisfy the requirements of subdivisions © and (d), shall, without offset or reduction, pay the transferee twenty-five dollars ($25) per day for each day that the requirements of subdivisions © and (d) remain unsatisfied, not to exceed a maximum payment of two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500). If the legal owner or lessor fails to pay this amount within 60 days following written demand by the transferee, the amount shall be trebled, not to exceed a maximum payment of seven thousand five hundred dollars ($7,500), and the transferee shall be entitled to costs and reasonable attorneys fees incurred in any court action brought to collect the payment. The right to recover these payments is cumulative with and is not in substitution or derogation of any remedy otherwise available at law or equity.

(f) A legal owner, upon written request of the transferee, shall disclose any pertinent information regarding the amount of payment and the documents necessary to release the obligation secured by the legal owner’s interest.
(Amended by Stats. 2003, Ch. 151, Sec. 2. Effective January 1, 2004.)

I hate legal speak. Totally excludes a segment of the population from understanding their rights (that includes me ).

So does that all of that mean that they had 15 days to get the title before incurring monetary penalties? If yes, that time has passed.

Good morning. Don't think so, I read it as (and I may well be wrong) that as long as they are making an effort in the 15 days to secure a title they are within the provisions.

Need a lawyer for the final say so. I read it as they have 15 days after reciept of payment as rjames does to tranfer title or they begin incurring penalty.

Where's a lawyer when you need one? So many? Perhaps not helpful. I don't get if BHCC secured(changed title. Or some California rule exemption) from the seller to them. They can take payment on a car that is not titled to the LLC?

".. take any action required by the department to release the legal owner’s security interest or transfer the lessor’s interest in the vehicle and within that time shall mail, transmit, or deliver written notice of its taking that action to the transferee."

Pretty sure this says they need to take action within 15 days and inform the buyer, they've done that.

That makes BHCC more of a consignment shop rather than a dealership? The meter starts running when a buyer comes forward?

There's lessons to be learned. Makes well represented private party cars here a lot less work.

Yeah so the main question is what counts as 'the certificate of ownership' because I think they could do that if it weren't a NY title.

So what they did is sold me a car with a title that couldn't be used for me and then started fixing it.

Not sure if that counts as not transferring the title?

Update:
The reaction of BHCC:

$200 to consult with a lawyer would be well spent to understand CA law and your rights IMHO unless we have one on the board that can step up and chime in.

I tried calling some... They won't return my calls.
At it again later today!

@rhodyguy - hope you are doing well. Don't think so, issue is specific to this car and interaction of NY/CA laws over exporting the car. If this was a inside USA transaction they would have just handed the existing title over at time of sale and this thread would never have happened.

My Jensen purchase, as I noted elsewhere, was super easy and totally normal.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/dmv/offic...tigationsoffice
DMV Investigations
After one to this office I had enough information that the dealer was going to owe me money. Problem went away.
Good place to start.

Ok so here we go.

It's been frustrating and exhausting and to be honest I had some support from an absolute legend @ValcoOscar who went to BHCC himself to check the yellow and Silver car out for me. Without him this wouldn't be possible. But I can finally say I'm out of the yellow car and upgraded to the silver car.

Also a shoutout to @jagalyn for putting this (rather expensive) solution in my head. Better if you never meet my wife.

Click to view attachment

I know the paint isn't a perfect paint job, and there already has been said a lot about it over on BAT, but structurally it's sound, it's got the 2.0L engine and it's got the chrome bumpers and fuchs wheels, all options I value very much.

I'm not so keen on the silver, maybe it grows on me maybe it doesn't for me the most important thing was to get a car which has papers and no rust and this car ticks both those boxes.

I'm not saying I'll sell it when it gets here, but I'm also not saying I'm not. I'm deeper in this car then I would like to be, but some life lessons come at a price I guess.

Hopefully the car can get shipped out soon. There is no reason why it shouldn't.

thanks everybody in this topic for your input and feedback in this whole ordeal. It's finally looking up!

Progress I suppose, hope it works out. If the silver one does need to go away a know a number of us will help as we can if it needs a replacement.

Hope you are doing well!

Awesome work for all those involved in getting this handled. I think you will be money ahead by not having to do the very expensive rust repair that the yellow car needed.

Congrats