Still friends TD...come over and play in my garage anytime.

Right on, overdue. Working on testing the 3.2L to make sure it is ready to go in, may be summer given other projects.

Thank you for your input. Unfortunately I did not have this knowledge on the time I bought the car. As of now I can't find a reason to unwind this deal. I made a judgement call based upon what I thought was a fair car at that moment and I still think it's a good base for a nice driver. I live in The Netherlands and finding one over here is even harder and they are almost all worse then this one and more expensive too.

Could I have bought a better one? Probably yes. But that's hindsight.
But I can not fault BHCC for any wrongdoing as off so far. I have a feeling they at least tried to picture the car as is.

For me the buying part is 'water under the bridge'. I have to work with what I've got now. If it's bad, it takes more time and money but I will sort it out. But I'm not going to back out of an agreement or deal after the deal has been made. I don't want to be that guy.

I am not saying to back out, I am saying see if you can unwind your deal. That may be to pay to BBCC some money to resell the car that you do not have ownership of yet. They will find another person to buy the car.

I would not buy parts for the car till you really see what you need. Someone may have changed the shocks not that long ago. Also, I am curious as to what was done to put the 5 lug wheels on.

There is a right way and a cheap way.

Curious what you paid for the car?
The silver car cost me $20,000 and I think that was a supper deal.

Good luck and as I said Welcome to 914World where the nicest Porsche people are ready to help you out in almost any way they can.


Bob B

And because you're "NOT THAT GUY"

@Coondog , @Tdskip and @Burton73 and I have conferred.

We decided to send you a Welcome to 914World care package for FREE (you pay shipping)



Please PM me for details.

Oscar

Cool!
I’ll send you a PM

The car looks good to me.

Who said anything about stealing

Not trying further scare the OP but buyer beware, as they say. A guy I know is right now going thru a major saga with a car purchased from BHCC (without a proper PPI, shame on him.) Not a 914 or p-car, a 60's American car.

First he had to wait a ridiculous amount of time to get the car (like 3 weeks) supposedly for replacement of a trivial in-stock part they could have gotten right away. (First red flag.)

Then the car actually broke down on the way home from BHCC and needed a tow. (2nd red flag, personally I would've towed it back to the dealer not to my house.)

Then on the way to the body/paint shop to check out the rust, a door latch broke (3 strikes you're out).

Now he has learned the car is so rusty - truly structurally unsound - it requires a full multi-month restoration including a bunch of replacement metal (a BUNCH). It literally has scary repairs where someone pop-riveted new metal patches right on top of the rusty parts and then sprayed overcoat on top to hide it. (Sound familar 914 guys?)

Within a few months the guy will be into this car more than 2X the purchase cost.

To be fair, the buyer did not at all expect a rust-free or perfect car at this price point, but clearly not a rustbucket either, as it was advertised and bought as a fully usable vehicle that just "needs a few things". Right.

Ok here we go; please read this post carefully and only respond with constructive comments please. This for me is a time of a lot of stress and anxiety so bear with me.

After the purchase of the car (wiring the funds) I was told the title would take 15 day to arrive.

So I've send reminder mails after 7, 14 and 21 days. All were responded to with "It's out of our hands we're waiting on the DMV." On Monday I've send out another mail asking for a status update and how the Covid-19 crisis would affect the DMV and the title proces. Still same answer "It's out of our hands we're waiting on the DMV."

Yesterday I've send out this mail to BHCC:


I immediately got a call from BHCC stating that the required document had just come in that day and that it now would be an easy process getting the title. Maximum of 11-13 days. I would get an email within an hour with that document. I stated if that's the case I will wait. I also asked tem to send me a confirmation that if the title wasn't ready 15 days from now I was allowed to cancel the deal and get a full refund.
That was agreed upon by the BHCC sales manager.

After 4 hours of no reaction I send out another e-mail.


After which I got this reply:


To me 4/10/2020 is 20 days from now so BHCC broke their own promise, so I asked for a refund like agreed upon.

That wasn't an option as on 4/10/2020 all would be set.
But I kept firm at the refund. So the mails back and forth started to get shorter and less pleasant until I asked to send me at least the document they said they got in that day as confirmation for me. (at this point I was even willing to accept the 4/10/2020 if there was a valid document)

I got this last mail:



So it seems there was no document at all!

So a bit outraged I've send out this last mail after which all mail traffic stopped. (it was 2:30 am here i agues 18:30 LA time)


What I would like to hear from you guys is two things.

1. What are my rights? When can I cancel a deal, do I need a lawyer?
2. I know the DMV process is slow, but what are the actual steps a dealer has to go through to get a New York title change into a Cali title?

Please keep from banter on BHCC. I'm already in this process with them so help me to get out this mess with them please.

I cannot add anything helpful, except I'm sorry you have to go through this. Hopefully some good advice is coming to help you resolve this.

Best of luck!

OK... This will cost you money. But maybe in the long run would be the answer to your problems.

BHCC has a decent 1974 914 2.0 right now for sale. Maybe call them up and let them know you want to trade in the car you bought for this one... try to make a deal.

1974 914 2.0 Silver

This one seems to be a really good car from the pictures and receipts. I know it is a lot of money... but when you factor in shipping, taxes, duty and the repairs that might be required on the car you bought... this might actually be the cheaper route. And it's a 2 Liter.

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While I do not (obviously) endorse want appear to be less than accurate promises from them in response to your most recent communication they are being truthful in that everting here in California that is not considered essential is frozen.

That included DMV that handles titles.

Thank you but right now I don't have the money to walk that route.


That I know. But right now it seems they still have to start. And it should have started a month ago. The issue is not that I do not understand the problem, the issue is until now I haven't seen anything from them which indicates that they made progress, or even started solving the title issue.

I totally understand that frustration, I'd be equally (if not more) upset with those answers.

I don't think they are open to be public now but I will try calling them this morning. Normally at this point I'd just jump in the car and drive up there. Wish I had last week, sorry.

If they can't get you a good title they will refund your money. Getting the title may well be a 3-6 month process (or longer) from here if they are just starting. I doubt they are, but the backlog of paperwork is going to be enormous.

Sending you a PM with my contact info if you want to chat live.

@911GT2

In my experience you have to be able to negotiate from both points of view - both the buyer and the seller.

I was once involved in a $9000 deal for a 914/6 (tells you how long ago this was).

I closed the deal with a gut feeling that something wasn't right. As I was getting ready to drive it home cross country, about 20 minutes out from the dealership I realized the only way my gut feelings could be true is if the car had been VIN Swapped (illegal in all of the U.S.). I found a small tag of MIG wire under the front right fender VIN. It indeed had been removed from another car and welded into this tub.

To make a very long story short. I resolved it with the selling dealership by allowing them to take back the car and to refund me 90% of the money, and to get me back to the airport and on the return flight I had booked just in case I hadn't bought the car.

Should I have had to accept a 10% haircut to get out of a fradulent deal - No.

Should I have turned them in - Maybe, but, that assumes I could prove they knew what they were selling was fradulent. I didn't feel I could meet that standard of proof.

The bottom line was that I learned a $900 lesson about following my gut instinct before closing a deal (for cars or anything else). Over the course of my life it was a valuable lesson that has paid for itself several times over.

The dealership got somthing for thier trouble and the fact that they now had a car that they could no longer represent as an orignal 914/6.

I apologize to the 914/6 community, I have no idea what happened to that car nor do I have any documents on it or the VIN of it. Hopefully it has been wrecked or rusted out by now.

911GT2 - you might consider doing the same. Get BHCC to cancel the sale and hold back some small % for thier trouble. That cuts you free from the drama and allows you to get on with finding a better car and someone that will help you every step of the way.

I get a weird feeling every time I look at anything from BHCC. That's me, some may disagree. I wouldn't deal with them.

Just now I had a long call with BHCC again. They walked me trough the process they had to do so far. It's not all on them to be fair!

So basically since the law changed on export for cars from NY and I only bought the car a couple of days later so they had to request a new title. Normally that wouldn't be a big problem. But 'my' car is missing a sticker with approval and VIN from the doorsill. So they had to have the car inspected in person apparently. That inspection was done march 16th and that's the document they got in yesterday. (apparently)
With that document they now can go to the DMV and request the new title. Except the DMV is closed.
So monday they try again, if the DMV is still closed by then I have a few choices.

1. I get the refund.
2. We try to make a deal on the silver 914 2.0 like was suggested by @jagalyn that was also suggested by BHCC
3. I wait.

3. is not an option anymore.

I'm tempted to go for 2. but I think I can't come up that much. What would be reasonable price for that car? I think I can come up to about 17K excl shipping maybe 18 if I stretch it thin.

1974 914 2.0 Silver

What would you do? Anybody selling a nice 914 as alternative

Have Tdskip give the 2.0 a head to toe inspection and if it looks good make a deal.

Run from that first car, it’s going to be your restoration nightmare.
As they say always buy the best 914 you can’t afford,,,, or something like that.,,

I'm in no way as educated in 914's at @Tdskip but I know my way around them (at the very least aesthetically) and am happy to run over there and take a look by myself or with anyone else...just yell. I promise to stay 6-feet away from anyone else...

LOL

re: the silver 74 - it was RNM on BaT 11/29/19.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-914-38/

may give you some pricing/negotiating guidance?

I’d take the money and run.
You know they have lied about what they did and didn’t do before. I understand the desire to have a nice car, but deal with someone that you can at least plausibly believe to be honest. It’s about integrity. They have shown that they regard the truth as a gray area in this one instance, why would there not be more?

They have shown their nature, you should view all further dealings through this lens.

There are lots of good folks here that can help you in your the search here. People with no skin in the game.

Just my .02

I hate seeing fellow 914’ers getting hosed.

One other point - don't think we're in a vacuum here - BHCC may be also on these boards in one way or another.

I imagine as a dealer, they are required to give you good title to the car. At this point, the offices that could handle the title work may be closed for an indeterminate amount of time. I would try your best to get your money back asap. Then use this site and the great people here to help guide you to a reputable seller with a good car.

Yep. Start with getting your money back. Then all options are on the table.

Buy a car from someone on this board. You'll get enough eyes on the car to make sure it is what they're selling. I bought my 914 from this site from someone who was known to be reputable.

My two favorite quotes...

– Buy the best car you can afford.

– Buying the seller is more important than buying the car

I agree with the brain trust...get your money back

Good luck with this

911GT2, ygm.

I agree. Some of their listings seem ridiculous, glossing over what is clearly serious damage and rust, and asking prices that seem double market rates.

I don't look at their ads. They take good pics but mostly sell overpriced junk.

Get your money back and look for another car, without doubt

....Let's just jump to the part where you get your money back.

I would start a new search using "nationwide craigslist" on your search engine.
That will take you to "searchtempest.com"
Perform a simple search on Porsche 914 under cars/trucks for sale with any 5 digit U.S.zip code and "any distance"

You can then peruse the entire Craigslist database of all Porsche 914's for sale in the U.S. in about 20 minutes. I would personally try to deal with individuals rather than dealers in general. Combine this with PPI's from guys on this forum and cars for sale on this forum, and I think you'll do better.

I don't know your personal parameters for a preferred car, but I've included 2 listings for what "appear to be" decent drivers...both seam reasonably priced and more solid than the car you're currently dealing with. Good luck....just my 2 cents...

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/chesterfie...7097069377.html

https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/omaha-ni...7080494517.html

I have no affiliation with either car, but you can kinda tell by the pics that these guys actually drive their cars.


Sean Connery in "Rising Sun" :The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's fucked up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed. We're always after who fucked up. Their way is better.

Gottta laugh when I see these ads that say no rust but don't show pictures of rockers removed, hell hole, or trunk

Both cars have that cheap ass EMPI 4 tip exhaust which seems to be supercheapo way out. Yeah, no engine, hellhole or long pics but the cars show pretty well otherwise for $10k

I know what to do! I love all your support. Thank you guys for that.

Since the site already has done so much for me I just became a patron to at least give this forum back on what it gave me so far.


But even though I'm in a situation with BHCC, please keep this from becoming a ranting thread about BHCC. They do not have the opportunity to react or defend themselves.

So since we're still in a proces I started it's only fair to them to see this trough to the end. And hopefully it works out for the best.

Unless there’s some dealer exception I don’t know about, nobody’s going to the DMV anytime soon....

Calif DMV website

California is in a State of Emergency, use other service options to complete your DMV transactions. Beginning March 16, 2020, DMV allows customers to avoid coming to a DMV office for 60 days.
Effective immediately, customers whose transactions require an in-office visit will be served on an appointment-only basis and currently there are no appointments available. Continue to check the DMV website for the most current information.

Take your time, with COVID-19 nothing is going to happening quick now anyways.
I'd say try to scrape a bit more cash together, take your time looking and get the best car you can. PPI is a must, only exception is from a trusted fellow member. Even if you have to borrow cash, then you can drive a sorted 914 today, not 4 years from now.
Unfortunately for a buyer good sorted 914 prices have gone up quite a bit, we'll see if there's any panic selling of classic cars in the coming months.

If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have computer access to submit document, print paper plate within 1 hr of transaction. Since they have to do this manually, probably are not licensed.

About 4 yrs ago, there was a Costa Mesa dealer scam involving high end cars and the dealer owner happens to live on my street. He sells Lamborghini, Ferrari, MB, Porsche owned and on consignment. A consignment BMW M6 got sold to 3 different people: one got car but no title, another got title only, 3rd sent the fund in for purchase then wait....., M6 owner signed over the title to sell but got no car or fund. Another Ferrari owner in Midwest paid for a car but it never ship- long discussion on Ferrarichat including rumors of hit men out for the dealer owner. There were several other vehicles involved but I only know the BMW and Ferrari because I know the people and the situation. He even had armguards at the empty house 24/7 for couple weeks.

While perusing Ferrarichat, I found another dealer in Costa Mesa pulled the same stunt.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ferrarichat...p;client=safari

https://www.fi-magazine.com/321762/calif-de...or-embezzlement

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/o...ar-scam.179890/

Here are my .02 cents:

Coronavirus aside, the dealer has the money but is unable to deliver a clear title within a reasonable amount of time, the dealer must provide a full refund. Period.

What you need is a personal representative in California who knows California consumer protection laws and has a power of attorney to handle this matter for you. Face to face with BHCC. Is there a lawyer within 914World who is willing to handle this pro bono?? Otherwise, stay away from lawyers...too expensive. Anyone in SoCal willing to shoulder this responsibility?


P.S.
DMV California is still working. I received a sailboat renewal registration yesterday, 21 March, which was processed on 17 March. Not counting mailing time, it took them 5 weeks.

No need for lawyer as CA DMV is pretty good at enforcing law and cracking down unlicensed dealer. File a complaint with DMV for failure to provide documentations upon purchase as all dealers must provide documentations AND paper license plate at close of transaction. If I go dealer right now, Sunday, and buy a car pay the dealer, dealer must give me paper plate and owners documentation so I can drive the car home today.

If a dealer can't do that then probably not licensed by DMV so I question the legitimacy of the business.

It is not helpful to speculate and make stuff up.

Please read the thread as to the situation.

I am not happy for you and I do not know what you paid for the yellow car but the Silver car looks pretty good from the pictures. Engen rebuild and a number of other things done would make a 73 2.0 a good value at $24M or 25,000 if the car is nice in person. If Tom would go and CK out this car for you that would be great. BHCC did not do the rebuild of Eng. and I know nothing of the Co. that rebuilt it and who did the machining of the Eng.

We are shut down in LA and CA as you must know. When I shipped Danny (Dax) his cars to Belgium a couple of years ago, the company that handled it for him was easy to deal with and this came to me on the 19th Good luck 914 Buddy
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I am just stating the fact: car dealer in CA must have dealer license. Dealer have the ability to submit documents and PRINT paper plate so customer can drive away. How efficient for a car dealer that sells 1 car a week to walk in to DMV and wait inline each week while making customer wait couple days to come back and pickup their car?

I can have registration submitted AND print a paper plate on the spot so customer can leave within 1 hour with any vehicle of their choice at 5pm Sunday.

True, and utterly irrelevant to the situation at hand which I why I said you should not speculate and make stuff up.

Car needs to have a DMV verification of the vin as it was a out of state car. That’s why they have to physically take the car to the DMV. But with no appointments available this isn’t going to happen.

Took a whole 2 minutes to find and validate.

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CHP office can do VIN verification- drive in and request, no appt needed.