Talked to mechanic today about getting the 1.7 replaced. Just curious as to what you all think of this...
Anyways, he says they can assemble and install a 1.8 for me. I asked him about at least getting a 2 liter, and he said it would make no difference in going to a 2.0 bore because the heads would be the same as the 1.8. ? Is this true? He stated it would all come out to be around $3400. Is this decent? I've wanted to get something with a little more power, so I mentioned a 2056. He says he thinks it would greatly shorten the life of the engine. What exactly is done to bring the engine up to 2056cc?
I know you all are much more experienced in this...I know little to nothing. guide me
What do you all think?

If you start with a 2.0, all you have to do is go from 94mm to 96mm P/C's I believe.

Don't know about going to a 2056 from a 1.7 or 1.8.

If you are gonna spend that much money, talk to Jake about buying an engine. He can build you a better engine than somebody who doesn't know the difference between a 1.7/1.8 head and a 2.0 head.

BTW.. 1.7/1.8 heads have smaller valves, a different spark plug angle, and only 3 intake studs.

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 12:59 PM)

Talked to mechanic today about getting the 1.7 replaced. Just curious as to what you all think of this... Anyways, he says they can assemble and install a 1.8 for me. I asked him about at least getting a 2 liter, and he said it would make no difference in going to a 2.0 bore because the heads would be the same as the 1.8. ? Is this true? He stated it would all come out to be around $3400. Is this decent? I've wanted to get something with a little more power, so I mentioned a 2056. He says he thinks it would greatly shorten the life of the engine. What exactly is done to bring the engine up to 2056cc? I know you all are much more experienced in this...I know little to nothing. guide me What do you all think?

I, don't know about your mechanic, from what you've said, he doesn't seem to have alot of type lV knowledge.

Stroke Bore
1.7 66mm x 90mm
1.8 66mm x 93mm
2.0 71mm x 94mm
2056 71mm x 96mm

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What exactly is done to bring the engine up to 2056cc?   2 mm bore increase for a 2.0

I've wanted to get something with a little more power, so I mentioned a 2056. He says he thinks it would greatly shorten the life of the engine.
No i don't think it will.

[QUOTE]He stated it would all come out to be around $3400.
Seems kinda of expensive for a stock rebuild, and he has no idea of what your motor actually needs.

More opinions forth coming

a 1.8 can easily be bumped up to a 1911 with the addition of 1.8 96mm pistons and cylinders (most cost effective upgrade), this is a decent motor and you should be happy with it.

to turn the motor into a "true" 2.0 would invole getting new rods and crank from a 2.0 motor (different stroke)

a 2056 is a 2.0 with 96mm pistons instead of 94mm pistons.

cost wise, does that include the removal and install of the new engine?

QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Aug 4 2005, 01:03 PM)

If you are gonna spend that much money, talk to Jake about buying an engine. He can build  you a better engine than somebody who doesn't know the difference between a 1.7/1.8 head and a 2.0 head. BTW.. 1.7/1.8 heads have smaller valves, a different spark plug angle, and only 3 intake studs.

1.7 and 1.8 have 4 intake studs, the 2.0 has 3

The 1.7 has 39mm intakes I forget the exhaust size, and the 1.8 has 41mm intakes and I think 34mm exhaust, and the 2.0 has 42mm x 36mm.

No it'd be a new engine. He said the block and heads and everything would be new. Or am I an idiot and thats the same as a rebuild?

Yeah it's removal and install. Also mentioned they have welders in the shop who can do hell hole repair when the engines out...

QUOTE (Mueller @ Aug 4 2005, 02:23 PM)

a 1.8 can easily be bumped up to a 1911 with the addition of 1.8 96mm pistons and cylinders (most cost effective upgrade), this is a decent motor and you should be happy with it.

I believe he said that going up to a 2.0 would cost a lot more because many things would have to change. Believe he said something about intake size? (i'm probably mistaken)

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 04:25 PM)

No it'd be a new engine. He said the block and heads and everything would be new. Or am I an idiot and thats the same as a rebuild?

I highly doubt the case and heads would be new... usually even cylinders are re-used, unless they came off a 1.7, AND you are going bigger pistons... 1.8/2.0 cylinders can be opened up to about 100mm.

it doesn't sound like your guy knows a *WHOLE* lot about type 4s... a 2056 can have the same longevity as a 2.0 or 1.8...

if he's going to use 1.8 heads, then they probably need to be opened up to breathe better....

save yourself a heartache, get a Kit from Jake...

I wish I could afford a Jake kit. Then I would need bigger carburetors and would have to pay all the labor for someone to assemble it.

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 04:34 PM)

I wish I could afford a Jake kit. Then I would need bigger carburetors and would have to pay all the labor for someone to assemble it.

you can assemble it, with his video, and if you have Weber 40s, a 2056 will work fine!

my 2056 has 40s, I increased the idle and main jets, and the vents... PER JAKE's INSTRUCTIONS....

3400 will by a nice 2056 kit.

I have Solex 34's on the 1.7. I really know honestly NOTHING about engines. What about exhaust?

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 04:39 PM)

I have Solex 34's on the 1.7. .....

I'd get more than solex 34s for anything...

watch classifieds, 40s and 44s pop up at decent prices...

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I really know honestly NOTHING about engines

your mechanic doesn't sound that much ahead of you if he thinks a 2056 will make it less reliable... 2mm/piston is not huge... you will have us, Jake's video, and Jake himself for backup... Jakes kits are all measured out, you won't have to guess at anything, just bolt it up

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What about exhaust?

stock style stainless h/es will be fine for the street...

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Aug 4 2005, 02:45 PM)

QUOTE What about exhaust? stock style stainless h/es will be fine for the street...

Off my 1.7?

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 02:34 PM)

and would have to pay all the labor for someone to assemble it.

Tear it apart and we'll let you know what it needs and where to send things for maching work. When you have everything you need back in your hands bring it all down here and I'll help you put it all back together.

Engine re-assembly seems to be one of the easier chores on a 914.

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 04:47 PM)

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Aug 4 2005, 02:45 PM) QUOTE What about exhaust? stock style stainless h/es will be fine for the street... Off my 1.7?

sure...

I have SSI 1.7 style H/Es on my 2056... once you get SSI, they are all the same diameter, so it will breathe fine.

K so... let me see if I get this right...
2056 kit from Jake.
40 Webers will work
1.7 exhaust


Is that all thats need to get it up and running? Does the kit include everything needed?

now you've got it!

get a new cam....Jake has some that are his grind...I've got a Webcam 494 that pulls nicely.

QUOTE (seanery @ Aug 4 2005, 02:56 PM)

get a new cam....Jake has some that are his grind...I've got a Webcam 494 that pulls nicely.

get jakes 2056 kit including a nice cam, 40 webers, SSI 1.7/1.8 heat exchangers and you're ready to fly ...

Andy

PS: i'm running 1.8L SSI HEs on my 2056 ...

Cam... sorry, can you explain that to me? And what does the kit come with?

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:05 PM)

what does the kit come with?

Here's Jake's info page on the kits. Take a look and give him a call. I'm sure he would be more than happy to fill in all the details.

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:05 PM)

Cam... sorry, can you explain that to me? And what does the kit come with?

cam = camshaft = one of them big rotating things inside an engine ...

Andy

Camshaft. The stick with bumps along it that tells the valves when to open, how far to open, when to close, and how fast to do all of that. It's waaaaay down in the middle of the engine, so you have to tear the whole engine apart to replace it. But you have to do that to replace the crankshaft with the one that gives you a 71mm stroke measurement anyway, so it's almost free.

I don't know what's included with Jake's kits. But I'd be surprised if it wasn't all of the parts and sealants you need to assemble an engine--assuming you still keep all the fasteners and engine tin and such from the old engine. You'll have to find carbs for it (yow, 34s?) and supply the exhaust too...

--DD

So, i'll need to get a new cam?

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 05:20 PM)

So, i'll need to get a new cam?

it's in jake's kit...

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:20 PM)

So, i'll need to get a new cam?

hey hammy, if you ever make it all the way out here to oakland/sf area, i'll give you a ride in a 2056 equipped car ...

Andy

Ah..I'm learning. So Webers can't be bought new anymore? Any other carbs that would work well? Are you guys sure it's as easy as you make it sound? My dad would help me for sure, but he doesn't know much either. I mean he changed the clutch and adjusted his valves on his bug when he was younger, but that's it. I don't want to be left stranded with no idea what to do.

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:27 PM)

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:20 PM) So, i'll need to get a new cam? hey hammy, if you ever make it all the way out here to oakland/sf area, i'll give you a ride in a 2056 equipped car ... Andy

That'd be fun! I go out west once in a while. Be cool to meet you.

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:29 PM)

That'd be fun! I go out west once in a while. Be cool to meet you.

just shoot me an email when you're in the area ...

as for assembling an engine, some basic mechanic skills and the right tools and jakes VIDEO will go a long way ...

but having someone around who has done it before would be a tremendous help ...
attention to detail is the key ...
Andy

Hhmm.. sounds good. Really leaning towards the kit now. I know a mechanic who can probably help me assemble it together. Is it extremely labor intensive to put together, or not so bad?

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 03:45 PM)

Is it extremely labor intensive to put together, or not so bad?

Engine assembly is not at all labor intensive. If you have ALL the parts and tools it can be done in a day. In an afternoon if you've done it before.

I see.
Thank you for all the replies everyone.... really appreciated. I'm glad I asked. How much does a good pair of 40 Webers run at?

about 4 bills I believe

I see. And what about the Weber 44s listed in the classifieds? says they're setup for 2270 though.

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 06:48 PM)

I see. And what about the Weber 44s listed in the classifieds? says they're setup for 2270 though.

doesn't matter "what" they are set up for right now, changing jets and vents is SUPER easy!!

or, you can get the 2270 kit from jake 78.4 x 96mm!! little more $$ though...

haha. Think i'll go for the 2056. But 44's wouldn't be too big right? Is changing the jets and ventris "super easy" as in, something I could do myself?

QUOTE (Hammy @ Aug 4 2005, 07:01 PM)

haha. Think i'll go for the 2056. But 44's wouldn't be too big right? Is changing the jets and ventris "super easy" as in, something I could do myself?

super easy as in if I can do it, ANYONE can...

I rebuilt my 40s, changed the vents and jets in an afternoon while drinking iced tea with my wife on the patio... and mine were super dirty and I spent MOST of that time cleaning them up with B-12 carb cleaner(gud shit!)

44s will not be too big... the vents on my 40s are full blown, can't make them larger... 44s will be FINE!