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Mikey914
Well they are vinyl, so no elephants were killed. But we finally found a vinyl that can be used to replace these.
914sgofast2
Looks very nice. With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!
914Sixer
Early 911 guys 64-68 should be happy about this.
rick 918-S
Nice
johnhora
Wow...Looks Great!! Y'all just keep giving us super new things...
SirAndy
QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

Front yard mechanic
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 02:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

Rockefeller would disagree
rgalla9146
Useful material for owners of '71 914s
1971s had a 'one year only' interior that had a similar grain.
SirAndy
QUOTE(Front yard mechanic @ May 16 2023, 06:01 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 02:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

Rockefeller would disagree

And science would disagree with Rockefeller.

Oil is made from algae and plankton deposits from the Carboniferous and Permian, long before there were any dinosaurs.
There's also no fossilization involved in the process.

The (false) notion of "fossil" fuel and dinosaurs comes from the massive 1930's ad campaign of Sinclair Oil with their dinosaur mascot.
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JamesM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 08:14 PM) *

QUOTE(Front yard mechanic @ May 16 2023, 06:01 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 02:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

Rockefeller would disagree

And science would disagree with Rockefeller.

Oil is made from algae and plankton deposits from the Carboniferous and Permian, long before there were any dinosaurs.
There's also no fossilization involved in the process.

The (false) notion of "fossil" fuel and dinosaurs comes from the massive 1930's ad campaign of Sinclair Oil with their dinosaur mascot.
shades.gif



Also worth mentioning that finding a dinosaur to kill these days is pretty tough.
mate914
100% true.....

Matt



QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 05:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

worn
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

They milk the dinosaurs to make vinyl. So, the dinosaurs are not killed. Not sure how they feel about the whole thing. The panels look great. What carpet and seats go with elephant?
fiacra
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 09:14 PM) *

QUOTE(Front yard mechanic @ May 16 2023, 06:01 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 02:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

Rockefeller would disagree

And science would disagree with Rockefeller.

Oil is made from algae and plankton deposits from the Carboniferous and Permian, long before there were any dinosaurs.
There's also no fossilization involved in the process.

The (false) notion of "fossil" fuel and dinosaurs comes from the massive 1930's ad campaign of Sinclair Oil with their dinosaur mascot.
shades.gif


Who knew SirAndy was also a geologist? I just thought he was an expert in the identification and public shaming of scammers and poorly behaved forum members.... Those of us of a certain era will also remember the School House Rock cartoon that played primarily during the Sunday cartoons that helped to propagate the myth that oil came from dinosaurs. At a certain point I remember reading a poll of people from that era that showed that more than 40% of us thought oil came from dinosaurs.

And to get back on topic...Many thanks to Mark and everybody at 914Rubber for yet another product option!
Mikey914
QUOTE(worn @ May 17 2023, 07:45 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 16 2023, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 11:09 AM) *
With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

@914sgofast2

Zero, since oil isn't made from dinosaurs ...
rolleyes.gif

They milk the dinosaurs to make vinyl. So, the dinosaurs are not killed. Not sure how they feel about the whole thing. The panels look great. What carpet and seats go with elephant?

The early, brick mold (looks like bricks stacked), The carpet is an industrial perlon. I'm working out a solution that is robust enough to hold up like the OEM


Coming soon.
rick 918-S
you are both wrong. The material comes from the Endangered Nauga. The end product is naugahyde. Mark must have located a very rare beast indeed. burro.gif
73-914
QUOTE(914sgofast2 @ May 16 2023, 02:09 PM) *

Looks very nice. With that said, how many dinosaurs were killed to make the oil which was refined into the vinyl? Hahaha!

All of them stirthepot.gif
Garland
QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ May 16 2023, 07:18 PM) *

Useful material for owners of '71 914s
1971s had a 'one year only' interior that had a similar grain.


Looks like the thicker material used in 70. The 71 used “shiny leather” a thinner, smother looking material with a more reflective shine.
Mikey914
QUOTE(Garland @ May 19 2023, 07:05 AM) *

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ May 16 2023, 07:18 PM) *

Useful material for owners of '71 914s
1971s had a 'one year only' interior that had a similar grain.


Looks like the thicker material used in 70. The 71 used “shiny leather” a thinner, smother looking material with a more reflective shine.

We matched it off of the 71 - 701 sample
Mikey914
Interesting,
I think I may have some of that vinyl. I thought it was something a P/O did.It was so far off what looks like it should belong.

Nothing like the Porsche sample book. Go figure.
mepstein
QUOTE(Garland @ May 19 2023, 10:05 AM) *

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ May 16 2023, 07:18 PM) *

Useful material for owners of '71 914s
1971s had a 'one year only' interior that had a similar grain.


Looks like the thicker material used in 70. The 71 used “shiny leather” a thinner, smother looking material with a more reflective shine.

Are you sure? Like Rory said, all my ‘71’s have/had elephant hide. I have a tan interior from an early ‘70. I’ll dig it out.
Mikey914
Yes please. Would love to see it (501 interior according to the book).

Interesting that the 401 seems to have an even wider grain.
Mikey914
Also got a couple PM's we will be adding this to our vinyl door DIY kits, just will take a few weeks to process materials so we know we have enough. We are doing up seats and back pad, with this material.
IanK
QUOTE(JamesM @ May 17 2023, 02:14 AM) *

Also worth mentioning that finding a dinosaur to kill these days is pretty tough.


What? They poop on our cars every damn day!
DennisV
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ May 18 2023, 04:53 PM) *

you are both wrong. The material comes from the Endangered Nauga. The end product is naugahyde.

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mepstein
Here’s an early 2 piece door panel. The vinyl has grain but isn’t elephant hide. There is no foam behind the vinyl. Came from a one owner car in NJ that rusted out. Had a lot of unique early ‘70 details.

Door pockets are also tan but the door pulls and door top bolsters are black. Factory two tone.
Mikey914
Got to thinking, hey, I have a 71. The one that Taylor and I picked up in Billings at 2AM.

So knowing this is a European Delivery 71. Production date was a late 70, but it's sold as a 71.
Mikey914
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Mikey914
Seems to match the book for 71. So, where would the cutoff for the larger grain be?
Mikey914
Fortunately it's well documented
rgalla9146
QUOTE(Garland @ May 19 2023, 10:35 PM) *


Those pics perfectly show the '71 only material.
It is much shinier and a different grain than any other year.
Mikey914
QUOTE(Garland @ May 19 2023, 07:05 AM) *

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ May 16 2023, 07:18 PM) *

Useful material for owners of '71 914s
1971s had a 'one year only' interior that had a similar grain.


Looks like the thicker material used in 70. The 71 used “shiny leather” a thinner, smother looking material with a more reflective shine.

@garland pretty sure this is correct for the 71. I wouldn’t really call it shiny.
Was it the 70 that had an even larger grain?
mepstein
Yea, the 71 definitely has a different sheen to the surface than 70
Garland
QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 25 2023, 10:18 AM) *

QUOTE(Garland @ May 19 2023, 07:05 AM) *

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ May 16 2023, 07:18 PM) *

Useful material for owners of '71 914s
1971s had a 'one year only' interior that had a similar grain.


Looks like the thicker material used in 70. The 71 used “shiny leather” a thinner, smother looking material with a more reflective shine.

@garland pretty sure this is correct for the 71. I wouldn’t really call it shiny.
Was it the 70 that had an even larger grain?

In the pictures I used here are the VINs for those cars.

The 70 VIN 4702912078 (purchased from original owner in 1978)
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The 71 VIN 4712908706 (purchased from a buddy & original owner, in 1975)
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The Billings car as I recall was the same as the 70.

Your picture
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Mikey914
So the 71 that I have 4712902333 is definitely more like the 70 , it also matched the book for 71 as the 701 sample.

So my question is does anybody have a Vin number for the "dinosaur " skin??

I guess that's what I'd call it considering the grain is wider.
simonjb
QUOTE(914Sixer @ May 16 2023, 01:40 PM) *

Early 911 guys 64-68 should be happy about this.


I wish…here is a photo from my 68 911L ….still looking for this style
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