QUOTE(PatMc @ Oct 7 2023, 06:08 PM)
QUOTE(technicalninja @ Oct 4 2023, 09:57 AM)
The above is the way to go with one exception.
I don't clamp off brake hoses that I am expecting to return to service.
If I'm replacing anyway (20+ year old hoses are an automatic replace) I'll use the clamps but I've seen too many brake hoses fail internally to crush any I want to re-use.
The crushing often causes an issue with the inner liner which you cannot see.
Most of the time failed inner liner causes calipers to not release, and it doesn't make a leak that is obvious externally.
Now, if I'm replacing the rubber lines anyway, I'll pull brake fluid via vacuum on the open steel lines. Makes bleeding so much faster.
If you do not know the age of the rubber lines AUTOMATICALLY replace them as there is a chance they are half a century old.
Having a rubber brake line rupture is never a good day. Puppies always wait till it's really important to have brakes and then "pop goes the weasel"...
In 40 years, I've never seen a master cylinder failure that could be traced back to trash entering the cylinder from the pedal mechanism.
I meant to comment on your theory of brake hose damage with clamping.
My experience has shown that if the brake hose is in such a condition such that clamping them off (with line locks, not vise grips clamped down with both hands) will cause damage to the hose, then it should have been replaced anyway. All brake hoses start out straight....if you can't stretch it perfectly straight...it's a good idea to replace it. Hoses are cheap, the problems they cause when they fail are not cheap. Any hose less than 10 years old should be able to get clamped off without any problems. Older ones, who cares if they get damaged...they're getting replaced with new ones as soon as the diagnosis is complete.
Only difference between me and you is our limits on age.
I'm not replacing brake hoses at 10 years. I'm replacing hoses at 20 but not pinching them at any point in their life.
I do agree that when I find one that has been damaged by some monkey pinching it off you can always see the teeth marks from the vise grips on the hose...
Most of the folks on a forum like this do not have the special pinch off clamps that you and I have and I try to include the expected users tool capabilities in my posts.
You said to "pinch off all of the hoses and test system."
Even I only have two of the clamps and I own 30,000 lbs of tools.
You didn't say to make sure and use the proper tools in that first post. Without the warning vise grips will end up getting used.
Needle nose vice grips can be used for this operation IF you cut a piece of 3/8 fuel hose, slit it lengthwise and slide it over each of the jaws. You can make a pair of "soft" clamps via this method.
I've not had to pinch a brake hose to diagnose a system ever.
My wife's 06 Odyssey, (17 years old/210K) is still running its original hoses. I've flushed the fluid at reasonable intervals, never pinched the hoses, and will not replace them before I replace the vehicle in the spring.