My co-worker has a 2004 350 and he always turns his nose up at my car. The other day he snickered at my idea of putting some wider tires on my car. Basically he said "Why would you do that?...your car doesn't have enough power to turn em!!". Is there a configuration that could blow away a 350Z at least in the straight away? Is this even comprehendible with a 4 banger?

Z specifications:
287 horsepower. 274 lb-ft of torque.
curb weight 3,400

no, but i am sure some experts will give you technical answers soon.

I mean my car is much lighter. It doesn't need 287 hp!

I'd say you'd be set with about 180hp, a v8 would do it, but whats the point.

QUOTE (ehick72 @ Sep 21 2005, 10:57 AM)

I mean my car is much lighter. It doesn't need 287 hp!

i have a form of the 350 engine in my infiniti sedan, and it's a hell of alot faster than the 500 mile rebuilt engine on my 914.

I have one of each in my driveway. The 350Z is stock and the 914 has a 3 liter /6. The Z is quicker in a straight line. How much money do you plan to spend on your 4? You are going to need a lot if you want to beat your buddy. A better plan is to get him to come out to an autocross.

You don't need speed, you need acceleration.

That would require a 6 or 8 with moderate torque... 300ft/lbs of torque.

I'm actually saving up for a Raby engine and I haven't completely decided how much to spend. How much more money would it take?

in theory, you'd only need 170hp to be equal to him based on your car weighing 2000 pounds....

of course gearing (transmission and tires) make a big difference as well as other factors

my 2.1 /4 should have close to that amount of HP...not too cheap, I have about $3K into the motor and it's not finished yet or close to it

Lessee. 3500/287= 12.2 lbs/hp. Sure, I'd take it on

POWER-TO-WEIGHT

Why don't you just build the motor for you and your car. Stop worrying about some assjack at your work. Ask him how many 350z's he sees a day. I have 4 in my works parking lot alone. I don't think we have 4 of any other car in the lot. Then ask him if he is a sheep or a shepherd?

QUOTE (Mueller @ Sep 21 2005, 12:15 PM)

in theory, you'd only need 170hp to be equal to him

In theory yes.

I do not have any hard numbers to back up the following - just seat of the pants observations. My 3.0 teener should be 180+ HP. It is no doubt fast and fun. However, the 350Z is faster. The Z is a great car. It also has AC, heat, stereo, etc. etc. The 914 corners better and I think it is more 'fun' to drive.

The 350 and the 914 are both sports cars, but they are very different in many ways. They both do what they were designed for very well. There are many cars that are faster than the 350. 287 is not really a ton of HP. It is the above average 274 lb-ft of torque that make it fun.

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Why don't you just build the motor for you and your car. Stop worrying about some assjack at your work. Ask him how many 350z's he sees a day. I have 4 in my works parking lot alone. I don't think we have 4 of any other car in the lot. Then ask him if he is a sheep or a shepherd?

good point and good comeback!

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Lessee. 3500/287= 12.2 lbs/hp. Sure, I'd take it on biggrin.gif

So are you saying I need 262 hp with a 2892lb car. That's undoable.

QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Sep 21 2005, 11:30 AM)

The 350 and the 914 are both sports cars, but they are very different in many ways. The both do what they were designed for very well. There are many cars that are faster than the 350. 287 is not really a ton of HP. It is the above average 274 lb-ft of torque that make it fun.

There are so many fast impressive cars these days. The WRX, the EVO, the Z, the Vette, not to mention other really high end cars. Even 4 door M5's and AMG Mercs. I can't see trying to make 30 year old 914 in the same class as those cars. It just doesn't appeal to me.

QUOTE (ehick72 @ Sep 21 2005, 03:32 PM)

QUOTE Why don't you just build the motor for you and your car. Stop worrying about some assjack at your work. Ask him how many 350z's he sees a day. I have 4 in my works parking lot alone. I don't think we have 4 of any other car in the lot. Then ask him if he is a sheep or a shepherd? good point and good comeback!

Yeah!











And THEN tell him what happens to sheep around here.








And THEN take him for a ride on a twisty road.

I have been on the track with those nasy azz 350z's a few times. No comparison, they are faster, and can even keep up with most of the azz draggers. That being said, the 914 is the one that i would pick any day.

his car is new; yours is 30 years old.
i always tell these guys "come back and see me when *your* car is 30 years old and we'll talk about it then."

Or blow his doors off by installing a healthy SBC V8 350cid.

2400lbs / 325HP = 7.38lbs per HP.
compared to his 11lbs per HP.

You'd blow him away.

QUOTE (jasons @ Sep 21 2005, 11:40 AM)

There are so many fast impressive cars these days. The WRX, the EVO, the Z, the Vette, not to mention other really high end cars. Even 4 door M5's and AMG Mercs.

Yep. There's been big advances in performance in just the last few years. My '97 M3 sedan was the "Worlds fastest production sedan" the year it rolled off the line. Today it's somewhere on page 2.

-Ben M

Drag him out to an autocross. Show him what a 914 is really good at. If you want straight line speed, buy a mustang and blow the doors off of him. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that you are building your 914 to be a drag car.

QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Sep 21 2005, 01:09 PM)

Or blow his doors off by installing a healthy SBC V8 350cid. 2400lbs / 325HP = 7.38lbs per HP. compared to his 11lbs per HP. You'd blow him away.

Had one of these Zs over a couple weeks ago for repaint (it had been keyed). Nice car but to me it seemed more cramped inside than the 914. Sneaking it out for a test drive, I'm sure my yellow car could whoop it. Well, up to 90 mph or so anyway.

Power to weight, yes.... But also performance to dollar.

You mentioned 4 banger. If you don't want to do a v8 conversion, take the amount of money he spent on the Z (minus what you paid for the 914) and send it to Jake. Tell him you want a 914-4 that will blow away the Z.

Done deal. And pocket the difference.

Eric,

Ask him to visit California in his Z if he wants a straight line ass- whipping by a 914-6. I am more than happy to watch him through my rear view mirror. If he wants a even bigger visit to the woodshed we can do a 0-100-0 or a 0-150-0. That would be even more humbling! And if he wants to get the ass-whipping from another vehicle of his cars country of origin, I can use my WRX STI and save the Teener for its own kind.

I've fondled that car in real life...

I say invite the sheeple here

This would handle it:

lined up for a DE with a brand new track version 350z behind me...2.5 liter six, flares and full track suspension....never saw him again!! The guy even had some SCCA time under his belt.

Ain't it kinda hard to get your lips wrapped around the door of one of them Z cars?

I routinely whip the living shit out of a 350 Z with track package at the local SCCA Autocross.

QUOTE (ehick72 @ Sep 21 2005, 11:32 AM)

So are you saying I need 262 hp with a 2892lb car. That's undoable.

What 914 weighs 2892lb?!
But like others are saying who cares about a boring 350Z, enjoy your 914 however you like it, be it a 3.6l car like the 914RS or a stock 1.7, it's all fun.

QUOTE (xitspd @ Sep 21 2005, 12:40 PM)

and save the Teener for its own kind.

We gonna have some fun at the WCC next year.
I may have to bring in the pro from Dover

QUOTE (914RS @ Sep 21 2005, 12:57 PM)

This would handle it:

Amen!

I agree with the others, anyone can drive in a straight line, well except my neighbors wife but that is a different story.

Will (qa1142) & I were at my SCCA regions AX this past Sunday. His 74 1.8L & my 70 with a 73 2.0L both had raw times faster (53.294 & 53.270) than the 03 Dodge Viper(54.669), 04 WRX (53.329), 04 SRT Neon (54.825), 04WRX STI (53.374) and....... my point is all these cars will kick our (stock) ass in a straight line. Just because you have mega HP doesn't mean you know how to use it.

1st how fast are you trying to race the 350z to.
60mph, 100mph or the 1/4mile? A good prepped 2li 914 will do well to about 40-70mph after that you can say bye bye.
I must agree with Muller, a good 4cyl 2Li built right will do the job as long as the tranny does not give up.

I had a silver 2 or 2.2liter 4cyl carb with A/C 914 that was very fast, I could take on 5.0 Mustangs thru the first three gears then I would most likely get stuck in 3rd and needed to use both hands to get it out of third gear.

Now I have a 914-6 3.5 twin plug and beat Z06, Vipers, 360. It does 11.6 at the 1/4m. but I need to grow out of street racing were one mistake can kill an innocent person.
That’s why I race on a track and really enjoy it. SCCA HSR NASA

But I must admit I really like the look and sound of the 350z, when that car came out it was accepted be car enthusiast all over. I think that it will be around just like the 240/260 and 280z.
Then again that my opinion from a guy who like Z cars, and 510’s BMW 2002, 3.0 CSL bat wing, MB 190 2.5EVO, Ford Escort Rally cars, 911 73 RSR, Renault Alpine A110 and R5 Turbo 2( which I drove as a rally car), Lancia Stratos and 033. I can go on but let me stop before someone from the 914 club shoots me down

914’s are in a world of there own. You can leave them stock or modify them with twin turbo V-8’s. and that’s what really neat about our cars.

Quilmes

I always think of those old Lotus Esprit Turbo's. Quick as heck. Real light and a 4 banger.

QUOTE (itsa914 @ Sep 21 2005, 02:22 PM)

Will (qa1142) & I were at my SCCA regions AX this past Sunday. His 74 1.8L & my 70 with a 73 2.0L both had raw times faster (53.294 & 53.270) than the 03 Dodge Viper(54.669), 04 WRX (53.329), 04 SRT Neon (54.825), 04WRX STI (53.374) and....... my point is all these cars will kick our (stock) ass in a straight line. Just because you have mega HP doesn't mean you know how to use it.

You were quicker than a viper?

QUOTE (xitspd @ Sep 21 2005, 01:16 PM)

QUOTE (914RS @ Sep 21 2005, 12:57 PM) This would handle it: Amen!

Lord have mercy on that 350z!

QUOTE (Quilmes @ Sep 21 2005, 01:35 PM)

1st how fast are you trying to race the 350z to. 60mph, 100mph or the 1/4mile? A good prepped 2li 914 will do well to about 40-70mph after that you can say bye bye. I must agree with Muller, a good 4cyl 2Li built right will do the job as long as the tranny does not give up. I had a silver 2 or 2.2liter 4cyl carb with A/C 914 that was very fast, I could take on 5.0 Mustangs thru the first three gears then I would most likely get stuck in 3rd and needed to use both hands to get it out of third gear. Now I have a 914-6 3.5 twin plug and beat Z06, Vipers, 360. It does 11.6 at the 1/4m. but I need to grow out of street racing were one mistake can kill an innocent person. That’s why I race on a track and really enjoy it. SCCA HSR NASA But I must admit I really like the look and sound of the 350z, when that car came out it was accepted be car enthusiast all over. I think that it will be around just like the 240/260 and 280z. Then again that my opinion from a guy who like Z cars, and 510’s BMW 2002, 3.0 CSL bat wing, MB 190 2.5EVO, Ford Escort Rally cars, 911 73 RSR, Renault Alpine A110 and R5 Turbo 2( which I drove as a rally car), Lancia Stratos and 033. I can go on but let me stop before someone from the 914 club shoots me down 914’s are in a world of there own. You can leave them stock or modify them with twin turbo V-8’s. and that’s what really neat about our cars. Quilmes

unfortunately, the new Mazda Rx-8 wasn't as accepted...

Alot of the guys I work with have vipers (some of them are modified) and I have no problem spanking them. I do have an 8 though. I do love my $8000 car running with $40,000+ cars!

Mark

Here is the car:

Mark

QUOTE (balljoint @ Sep 21 2005, 11:52 AM)

QUOTE (ehick72 @ Sep 21 2005, 03:32 PM) QUOTE Why don't you just build the motor for you and your car. Stop worrying about some assjack at your work. Ask him how many 350z's he sees a day. I have 4 in my works parking lot alone. I don't think we have 4 of any other car in the lot. Then ask him if he is a sheep or a shepherd? good point and good comeback! Yeah! And THEN tell him what happens to sheep around here. And THEN take him for a ride on a twisty road.

... and then ask him if his Z is paid for.

The green 914 V-8 looks fantastic I like the way the rims and tires fill in the fenders out.

Excellent looking 914.

Quilmes

QUOTE (Hammy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:51 PM)

QUOTE (itsa914 @ Sep 21 2005, 02:22 PM) Will (qa1142) & I were at my SCCA regions AX this past Sunday. His 74 1.8L & my 70 with a 73 2.0L both had raw times faster (53.294 & 53.270) than the 03 Dodge Viper(54.669), 04 WRX (53.329), 04 SRT Neon (54.825),  04WRX STI (53.374) and....... my point is all these cars will kick our (stock) ass in a straight line. Just because you have mega HP doesn't mean you know how to use it. You were quicker than a viper?

Yep Like I said just because you have a lot HP doesn't mean you know how to drive it.

Look HERE You will find me under PAX (grouped with other 1 car in a class people) and Will under novice. The viper was in novice class also but wasn't his first time. Heck I think it was Will's 2nd AX ever.

350 Z is fairly fast.It would take a substantial sum to out sprint him. 350 Z is a pig in AX however. Invite him to an AX.

QUOTE (dlo914 @ Sep 21 2005, 02:57 PM)

unfortunately, the new Mazda Rx-8 wasn't as accepted...

Those not accepting of it should look at the recent SCCA Nationals results for B-stock. There were 3 or 4 Rx8s in the top 10.

-Ben M.

Heck It dont take much to beat a 350...



The stock 944 turbo (has a chip) should be able to beat it, and the race 944 would as well.

Theres a guy with a factory tuned one running around modesto... Blue, big fatty wing, graphics, loud ass exhaust. Bling bling. Seen a couple exactly like it...

Im always desperate to pull next to one... (I hate ricers..Even quick one's... but I do have respect..) Yet, I have not had a street race (nor do I think I will... lol)

QUOTE

There are so many fast impressive cars these days. The WRX,...

I've seen several WRXs at an autocross and their handling (read "body roll") is unimpressive.

A bad driver can make any car look bad...I do it often.

I've seen bog slow Vipers and TTOD Vipers.
I whip 80% of the WRXSTI thingys and 2-3 blow my doors off.
I have seen only a couple 350Zs run. One was quick.

hey guys....im new to this forum and I don't know much about the 914s. Anyways, what are the popular engine swaps for these cars? and what 1/4 mile times are you guys pushing out? I'm not a drag race fanatic, but I like using the 1/4 mile timeslip to get an idea of a car's accelaration.

Great looking cars you guys got....by the way.

I'd be more concerned with beating a 99 911...

Just get yer self a big rat engined car! =-)