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Aaron... Thats a whole bunch "O" stuff to collect for a 5 bolt setup...

Aa... What would this setup cost for a regular guy that doesn't have all the connections you have? (I.E. dam near free)

What are the advantages of this setup? Could you please list them?

My memory tells me the following.

1) Stronger CVs. (944?)

2) Factory 5 bolt hubs.

3) What else?

Aaron... me b thinking that many of the folks here are interested in this setup. We have all beeen reading about the differant 5 bolt scenarios for a couple of years.

Do you think this setup is advantagous to the Mueller 5 Bolt set up we sell on the club site?

Thanks for doing the layout for me... Now this setup makes MUCH MORE sense because I can SEE what it is... Nice job Bro....

LaterZzzz,
Twystd1

How is the stock -4 axle modified in this setup? I thought there was a way to do this without having the axles modified or having ones custom made?

--DD

QUOTE (Dave_Darling @ Oct 5 2005, 03:05 PM)

How is the stock -4 axle modified in this setup? I thought there was a way to do this without having the axles modified or having ones custom made? --DD

clay and andy have done this already...

mueller machined the axles...for andy. IIRC - machine a few mm down so the 944 cv can slide all the way on.

Benefits. 914 cv's are NLA.. 944 Cv's are BIGGER and STRONGER and AVAILBALE ANYWHERE

pricey.....
early 911 hubs 50-100
915 coarse spliners 6 bolt flanges 100-200
silly spacers from clays's mechanic 60
951 stubs 9( ) - 50

and CLaytonian... mueller/Brad did NOT make 5 lug versions of the billet hubs. that was the point of them... to get big brakes without 5 lug

So your thinking about 400 bucks for this setup using old parts and add the cost of a little bit of machining... And this doesn't include the cost of the new 944 Cvs? Correct?

Aaron.. for the average guy. Do you think 500 - 600 bucks would cover it?

Twystd1



(That means I can do it for 200 )

you can get NEW 944 axles from flaps as cheap as 120 each side....

What is the problem with using 911 axels and CV's?

I have this setup on my project car except I have used the 911 axels and stubs.

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Oct 5 2005, 06:16 PM)

you can get NEW 944 axles from flaps as cheap as 120 each side....

What are the 944 axles for? I don't see them in your drawing.

Nevermind, I see the difference mine are the fourbolt 911 flanges, cv's and stubs.

QUOTE (Part Pricer @ Oct 5 2005, 03:26 PM)

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Oct 5 2005, 06:16 PM) you can get NEW 944 axles from flaps as cheap as 120 each side.... What are the 944 axles for? I don't see them in your drawing.

the come with NEW cv joints

You better check the prices again. I'll bet that they also have about a $100 core charge.

A-1 Cardone charges dealers about $65 each plus $100 core. (reman)

New axles from GKN Automotive have a dealer cost of $193.75 each - no core

New C.V. Joint Kits from GKN Automotive have a dealer cost of $73.97 each - no core

Thanks for the correction on the Brad/Mueller hubs Aaron.

So how much ya think a guy can put this kit together for? Including machining of the 944 axle?

Twystd1

QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Oct 5 2005, 04:22 PM)

Thanks for the correction on the Brad/Mueller hubs Aaron. So how much ya think a guy can put this kit together for? Including machining of the 944 axle? Twystd1

ask andy and clay... theyve done it.

parts list
(2) pre 74 911 hubs
(2) 951 27 spline stubs
(4) pre 86.5 33 spline 944 CV's
(2) 914 axle shafts
(2) Coarse spline 6 bolt outputshafts from early 915

WTG Aaron!!

IN YOUR FACE Paul!!!


M

QUOTE (redshift @ Oct 5 2005, 05:40 PM)

WTG Aaron!! IN YOUR FACE Paul!!! M

great, more shit to buy to keep up with Miles..............

good thing I gots a stash of 914/4CV's until I can locate all these parts

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Oct 5 2005, 04:26 PM)

parts list (2) pre 74 911 hubs (2) 951 27 spline stubs (4) pre 86.5 33 spline 944 CV's (2) 914 axle shafts (2) Coarse spline 6 bolt outputshafts from early 915

~$300 bucks for the whole package (all used, of course). that includes drinking muellers sodas and eating his chicken wings while he was machining the axles ....

Andy

related threads:

how do i take a CV off a halfshaft ???

more CV questions ...

Rear 5-Lug with 944 Parts, PART II

Rear 5-Lug with 944 Parts, PART III

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Oct 5 2005, 09:42 PM)

great, more shit to buy to keep up with Miles.............. good thing I gots a stash of 914/4CV's until I can locate all these parts

Oh dear... I've become something of a benchmark.

Time to stop wiping my butt for a week! .. again..



M

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Oct 5 2005, 03:26 PM)

QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Oct 5 2005, 04:22 PM) Thanks for the correction on the Brad/Mueller hubs Aaron. So how much ya think a guy can put this kit together for? Including machining of the 944 axle? Twystd1 ask andy and clay... theyve done it. parts list (2) pre 74 911 hubs (2) 951 27 spline stubs (4) pre 86.5 33 spline 944 CV's (2) 914 axle shafts (2) Coarse spline 6 bolt outputshafts from early 915

Aaron,

I did take your info,and went junkyarding,for a ll the above 944 axle hardware.

A local yard sold me both sides w/all the hardware,ie bolts. for $130.00

I turned a pair of 914/4 axles back to compensate for the extra width of the 944 cv.Everything went pretty much lock step,except that I have FINE-Splined 915 hubs on my trans.These I cannot change cause I already have installed a Guard LSD in the trans.

Now I'm in the process of machining an adaptor for the cv to trans flange.8mm bolts on the cv versus 10mm on the flange.Plus,a different bolt circle on each.Ya live & learn.

My only concern,is wether I'll have enough take-up slack in the shaft length to account for the additional 3/8"thickness of the spacer.
If not,I guess I'll have to get axles made anyway.

Other than that,It is a truly bolt on affair.

One note to mention,the 914/4 axles are heat-treated,so I had to use carbide and make very my,and very light passes on the lathe to keep the work piece from hardening any more as I was trying to turn it.


Ron

QUOTE

One note to mention,the 914/4 axles are heat-treated,so I had to use carbide and make very my,and very light passes on the lathe to keep the work piece from hardening any more as I was trying to turn it

yep, I went thru 3 brazed carbide tools on Andys axles, 1st 2 were part of the learning process

I have to turn down one more end tonight

I did not read this entire thread but here is something I found out. The cv joint from a mercedes w123 chassis (1981, at least) will bolt up to an outer 911 stub axle. That is one part of the setup you can get really cheap. They are pretty beefy. So you can get 911 stub axles, Mercedes w123 outer cv joints, then make a hybrid mercedes/914 axle to go to your inner stock cv joint.
Brian

BTW, a w123 would be a 1977 to 1985 300d, 240d, 300td(wagon, that's where I got mine), 300cd, 280e or 280te.

QUOTE (RON S. @ Oct 6 2005, 08:23 AM)

except that I have FINE-Splined 915 hubs on my trans.These I cannot change cause I already have installed a Guard LSD in the trans.

then why the spacer? shouldn't those have the same bolt-pattern as the coarse-spline 915 output flanges? in which case yours should bolt right up to the 944 CVs ...

Andy

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Oct 6 2005, 11:12 AM)

QUOTE (RON S. @ Oct 6 2005, 08:23 AM) except that I have FINE-Splined 915 hubs on my trans.These I cannot change cause I already have installed a Guard LSD in the trans. then why the spacer? shouldn't those have the same bolt-pattern as the coarse-spline 915 output flanges? in which case yours should bolt right up to the 944 CVs ... Andy

i think they are bigger..

BTW i got the WRONG 915 coarse splines (4 bolt 2 pin) and they are a visible 10mm or so larger

I am confused on a couple of points.

1. The 951 stub axles are used for what? If the 944 CV Joints bolt to early (100mm) 915 output flanges, then they should also bolt up to early 911 (up to early 1985) outer stub axles (same diameter and bolt pattern as the 915 output flanges).

2. The 944 CV joints are what diameter (100mm to mate with the early 915 output flanges)?

3. What is the part number for these pre 1986.5 944 CV Joints and where can I buy new ones?

4. Are the CV Joint bolts 8mm or 10mm to use the 944 CV Joints?

I fully understand the need to turn the ends of the 914 axle shafts down so the wider 944 CV Joints can be installed.

Thanks for your help.

John

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Oct 6 2005, 10:12 AM)

QUOTE (RON S. @ Oct 6 2005, 08:23 AM) except that I have FINE-Splined 915 hubs on my trans.These I cannot change cause I already have installed a Guard LSD in the trans. then why the spacer? shouldn't those have the same bolt-pattern as the coarse-spline 915 output flanges? in which case yours should bolt right up to the 944 CVs ... Andy

Andy,

The axle assy's from the 944 I lifted from a junkyard are bolted down with 8mm x 1.25 pitch bolts.The axle flanges on my 915 box,witch are fine spline,are 10mm x 1.5 pitch. plus,each is drilled on a different bolt circle.
Nothing I can do to change that except to laser-out and machine an adaptor plate.


I'll try to load an auto cad fil of what I'm doing.



Ron

951 STUB axles and COARSE spline 915 6 bolt flanges have 6 8mm bolts

915 coarse spline 4 bolt 2 pin AND 915 finesplines have a much larger bolt circle... 10mm or so biger OD...

On my 1985 915, I have FINE SPLINE output shafts with an 86mm bolt circle (6-bolts, no pins) M8X1.25.

I also have a pair of the older style 915 COARSE Spline Output shafts with the same 86mm bolt circle (6-bolts, no pins) M8X1.25 which fit a 914 trans. The CV Joints that fit these output shafts are 100mm OD. The later model 915 (late 1985 +) apparently had the larger output shafts with M10 bolts.

From Ron's CV adapter plates, I am understanding that he has 944 cv-joints with an 86mm bolt circle (same bolt pattern as the older style 915 output flanges and 911 stub axles like I have (6-bolts, no pins) .

Did anyone have the part numbers for the desired 944 CV joints or where to get them?

pre 86.5 33 Spline.

anything over 86 is 25 spline and will not work.

Johnman.... want to unload the 915 coarse spline flanges?