The 125 HP, $5000 Type IV is now available!

Jake has chosen me to help make this engine a reality. This engine is a tried and true combo that Jake has developed over the years and all head work and assembly is done by me. Jake has created a special package for us that is not available on his website. I get the full package from him, and then I have your heads rebuilt and bolt it all together. This setup will produce about 125 hp with carbs or tunable EFI and 110 hp with stock D-Jet or L-Jet*.

This engine is a 2056cc longblock with a special cam, full balance job and fully rebuilt heads will all new parts (seats, valves, guides, etc). This is not your run of the mill engine rebuild and this is not a "discount" engine. No corners are cut to reduce the price. Jake and I have worked out a deal that allows me to offer a QUALITY engine for only $5000. The balance job is Jake's "Improved Balance", the head parts are modified and tweaked for longevity, the lifters are proven to not go flat, and best of all the combo is proven to make power. Making power with the Type IV is all in the combo, as Jake has proven again and again. The engine comes to you already broken in and ready for you to bolt up your carbs or FI. You can use your stock heater boxes, although a header system will give you a 7% gain, and a Tangerine header system will get you a 15% boost.

There is a $750 refundable core charge for a 2.0 core engine, or the following pieces:
* Flywheel
* 2.0 crank
* 2.0 rods
* Cooling fan with NO broken fins
* 1.7 style rocker arms (13 mm adjuster nut)

In addition, you will need to supply:
* 1.8 or 2.0 heads that will be rebuilt.
Condition is irrelevant and un-rebuilt heads are preferred. If you have heads that have already been "rebuilt" those heads will either be rebuilt again by me or if you insist on not having them rebuilt there will be no warranty on the engine. Cracks are acceptable and will be repaired during the rebuild process.
* Case (any 914 case will work just fine)
* Taco Plate + O-Ring
* Oil Filter Console
* Oil Bypass Springs/Pistons
* Drain Plug
* Distributor Drive Gear + Special Washer
* Under Cylinder Engine Tin
* Oil Cooler
* Oil Cooler Thick Washers
* Fan Mount + Bolts
* Oil Baffle + Seals (OPTIONAL)
* Oil Pressure Switch OR Pressure Sender
* Oil Filler + Bail
* Head Nuts + Washers
* Through Bolts
* Oil Pickup
* Sump Cover
* Endplay Shims
* Distributor Clamp
* Valve Covers + Bails
* Rocker Shafts
* Rocker Shaft Mounts

These engines are a longblock only, no tin, no ignition, no exhaust and no installation. Everything on the engine is freshened/rebuilt, including the following:
* Rebuilt and balanced set of crank and rods
* Fully balanced rotating assembly that has been balance one step above what's normally available in his kits (extra value above buying a kit directly from Jake)
* New pistons, rings, cylinders
* Fully rebuilt heads with all new parts that are modified by Jake (new special seats, new special guides, new valves, new springs, new retainers, new keepers, any cracks repaired)
* New hardware kit to replace worn out nuts and bolts
* New cam and Jake's custom lifters that work
* Custom cut ChroMoly pushrods
* New clutch disk and pressure plate
* Case galley plugs tapped for threaded inserts

These engines come with a 6-month, 6k mile limited warranty. I will, of course, be standing behind my work, as always. Note that installing ignition and induction can be tricky and a poorly tuned engine can kill a perfectly good rebuild.

These engines will take roughly 3-4 months to build from order to delivery depending on shipping times and how quickly I can receive the kits from Jake.

These kits will not require an external oil cooler in most climates, but is very dependent on how well the engine is tuned. If you install one of my motors that runs hot, my first question will be the state of tune.

Installation is available for additional cost, PM me for details.




For those of you who don't have 2.0 engine core parts, I'm also offering a 1911cc longblock designed by Jake that makes 90 hp with carbs*. These engines go for $4500 which will save you $1250 off the 2056cc engine since you don't need the cores. This engine is comparable to a stock 2.0 and can use the stock 2.0 D-Jet.

If you have any questions about either of these engines, feel free to ask me. Don't both asking Jake about these engines because he'll send you right back to me. These engines are fully designed by Jake, but all responsibility lies with me.



*Horsepower numbers are quoted using a Mallory distributor, 2.0 heads and SSI 2.0 heater boxes.

I have one 2056 kit ready to go and as a promotion, the first buyer will get $500 off.

So mark the 1911 is built of off what core parts a 1.8?

I'll only be weighing in here with this single post....

I have the confidence that Mark can support my components and products enough to make this a reality. I have worked out an arrangement that allows Mark to provide a 100% balanced assembly (balanced to my intermediate spec) with a known design and known result. The carbureted version of this engine is EXACTING the engine in my 912E that was built 3.5 years ago from used parts primarily and has carried my ass 90K miles without a hitch and pure abuse and neglect.

Mark is "The man" for these kits. I have only offered him the 1911 and 2056 arrangements as these kits work excellent with absolute bone stock heads that he can have machined locally as our head work is what drastically increases prices, but is not a necessity on engines in this state of tune. Mark will be getting all our components for the heads, however, including our cryoed seats, proprietary guides and the necessary springs and guides.

I have sent Mark extensive dyno information from the combos he has stated and I time and again received these results when I still built a lot of engines of this power level.

Basically Mark is in the position to provide you guys with exactly what you have been looking for, based on good parts that are easy (and cheap) for him to assemble with just a little more effort than normal on my end.

I will close by saying that my parts and designs are being used for this endeavor, but I will only be supporting these kits via Mark. he can answer all your questions and particulars just as well as I can at this point.
he has one kit just a few days away from being assembled- who is going to be first???

(Now back in the foxhole)

So, in theory if I want a 2056cc but haven't a 2L core it would be $5500?

The 1911 uses a 66mm crank which came in either the 1.8 or the 1.7 and a set of 96mm pistons & cylinders. It's a nice engine that's comparable to a stock 2.0, but feels slightly different because of the short stroke, big bore setup.

Ahh.. so 96 mm P&C's so 2.0 heads

Yes, it would be $5500. That's exactly right.

Except, there is that promotion slot that still hasn't been filled.

This engine needs either 1.8 heads or 2.0 heads. Both have the same cylinder diameter. 1.7 heads can be opened up to fit as well. Like all of these engines, I rebuild what I'm given. So if you want the performance boost that 2.0 heads give, then I can put them on. If you don't want to deal with the expense of 2.0 heads, 1.8 heads can be used. This goes for the 2056 as well, 1.8 heads can be used for either.

I think it is wonderful that you are stepping up to provide this service... I applaud both you and Jake for this move..

I am almost ashamed that no-one has jumped at this deal...

Everyone that was whining should step forward.

I suggest you put a marker in the main garage forum...I was just bored and came here to see what was new...

Rich

I don't want to be overly self promotional.

But, I'm really surprised that no one has either.

I really thought I was helping fill a need for affordable, powerful engines. 125 hp in a 914 is A BLAST! When other 914 owners have ridden in my black car they were impressed with the power and it's only got 86 hp. A 50% improvement in power would be WILD! I think people get caught up in the numbers and don't realize just how fast 125 hp 914 is.

124.7 HP, 130.7 ft/lbs Torque.

Sounds awesome.
so is this 2056 setup basically the 2056 kit offered by Jake or.. ?

There are actually a couple hundred dollars worth of improvements over the kit from Jake. It comes with the next step up of balancing from the kit as well as a complete, brand new engine hardware kit. So you're actually getting a better deal than just buying the kit from Jake.

Mark, If I wasn't in the middle of a huge remodeling project ( ) on my house, I think I would be all over this one.

Now, if you wanted to do some kind of layaway...

You are and I also applaud you. Problem is there are two big groups that make up the majority of 914er's. Those who know what it takes because they've BTDT and now don't need a motor and those who are about to find out the hard way and will have depleted their funds trying and later unable to purchase your motors. Me, I'm in the "where was this a year ago" group and I have the receipts to prove it.

My old tired 1.7 probably had 70hp, if even that. 125 must be wild.

Yet again this group has proven that you can literally give them EXACTLY what they want for the price they want and they still won't open their wallet- not even an ounce!

The only way this was going to work for Mark, or myself was with volume sales and its pretty apparent that the volume won't be worth the effort we (Mark and I) have already put into it.

now Jake... give it time. I'm interested and Mark and i have been discussing engine details.

Its been what all of 4 days since the first post.

Heck with as much interest this had you wuld have thought the intro kit would have sold in 15 minutes...

Mark has to buy these kits from me 3 at a time to get these prices, so the only way this is going to happen is with volume.

Well shoot I just happened to stumble on one of Mark's post's
Hmmmm What's the link? Clickety Click and whala I missed the whole damn thing.
So bump for the guys who need a motor.
I am confident I can do a kit myself so I am in the "other group" of BTDT.

as for a 914 with a 125 HP Oh yea they are a blast.
I already know I will want more to be competative in SM-2 so I'll be going bigger.

I think the lukewarm response is simple, the price is
just way to high!

There's only one way to get a cheaper engine, build it yourself. And buy all the tools you need. And learn all the tricks there are. And exactly how long is that going to take? So, in reality, it's still not really cheaper.

I know $5k is a fair chunk of change (hell, I couldn't afford it ) but in terms of the economy of it, it cannot be done any cheaper without compromising quality. And if you start compromising quality, what's the point?

I can understand that $5k is a lot of money, but if you're going to say it's not worth $5k or that the same engine could be built for cheaper, then I'm pissed off. The profit margin on this project is very slim. I'm doing it because I thought there needed to be a relatively cheap option for 914 owners.

Whatever, now I'm pissed off. Maybe I should just start building them for free.

Mark honestly I don't know how many people have seen this as it is not in the "garage". I only stumbled on it.
The last motor (warmed over 2.0L) I built was done nearly as a favor Still cost the guy 2500 bucks so I know where you are coming from. My labor came out to about .10 cents an hour.
I guess the only way to get someone to buy a motor is to give free rides in a hopped up teener.

After I drove Jake's car I knew I wanted a 2316. Hell I even tried to buy his motor from him but something went askew in the whole thing.

Hell there are a couple of guys that have driven my car (Loyal Honda fans) that said they are now looking for a 914 to race. one guy got his check book out to buy it on the spot.

How do you market a motor? I don't know I'm just a good ole boy with a knack for turning wrenches. I just don't think the 914 market will make much profit selling engines. Heck just look at where most of Jake's motors go... not that many 914's cept real race cars.

Don't even think flipping 914-6 conversions ala Camp 914 is a big money maker. Labor of love maybe...

Don't want to hijack the thread, but jeez Jake, did it ever occur to you that insulting an entire segment of your potential customers might not be a real effective marketing move? "Step up! PROVE you're not all deadbeats!" That's sure not going to sell me, and I don't think it's doing Mark any favors, either.

When I read this person's post, I took it as a joke. Not sure why it was taken so seriously, I'm fairly new here, but this is from a person with 6 posts.

Mark, sorry, I didn't mean to piss you off, I'm sure you do a good job on these
engines, and I know type 4 parts are not cheap. I hope you do well selling these,
but I just think 5k is more than most people are willing to spend, even for a high
quality engine. Good luck

Paul,
Its just very baffling to receive emails and PMs saying" Man if you can somehow do the 5K engine buy , I'd be in line yesterday".... Then all of a sudden it happens and ALL those peoploe are gone, won't reply to emails and don't open their wallets. I'm talking not one or two people, but at least 8! I don't know why I let it bother me, its the same thing that happened with the rod buy and other peple's group buys here.... To be told something and then basically lied to is more of an insult to me than about anything else.

fkelso,
If you read this post top to bottom you'll see that a lot of people said 5K was more than acceptable for an engine of this state of build. This is what Mark and I based the project on and it certainly hasn't went anywhere as of yet.

As far as being pissed off, well I'm not... This person is just plain ignorant to make an assumption of the price being way too high when he has no frigging clue what the kit entails or how long it takes to assemble the engine first hand..... If you think 5K is too much for this engine- you certainly don't need to own a car with a Porsche crest on the hood- go buy a damn Fiero!
Rant off....

I do know that this time of year is financially draining so we are not giving up yet... Good weather and spring brings open wallets and guys that want power fast.... This kit will do that, so it may still be able to happen after the holidays... I hope so, but if not atleast Mark and I got to know each other better.

5,000 Dollars is alot of money for just about anyone. But I believe this engine will be worth it. As long as you have the offer open for a few more months, I will be calling!

For anyone that needs an engine built right now, this looks like a great deal. But this is one project that most people won't undertake if their current engine is working. So I'm guessing that it's more an issue of timing. How many 914 rebuilds get done in a year, what percentage of those have enough money to even consider it, then of them, how many would rather do it themselves. This is definately a niche, but over time I think that quite a few people will take advantage of this deal. If I ever get another teener, this will be on my short list...

Eric

Glad to hear guys. Thanks for the support.

We need to have a dyno day so people can realize how little power their cars have. It seems like most people with 2.0s quote their engines as 90 hp, yet low 80 is more realistic, and that'd only be for a brand new motor. I bet there's plenty of mileage motors with old D-Jet are probably pushing out more like 70 hp or less. So we're talking about almost a double in horsepower for those people with "good running" stock 2.0 motors. Talk about an upgrade.

I noticed how much enthusiam was stirred by the Suby donut video thread, which was impressive. Maybe you could do some visual marketing with a before and after quarter mile at your local strip on their run what ya brung day.

The $500 discount engine has been claimed.

curious what specs (ignition, exhuast, etc.) were for dyno graph engine.

40 IDF carbs, Mallory distributor, 2.0 SSI heater boxes, and 2.0 914 heads..

Either carbs of aftermarket EFI will give these numbers. Stock FI will suck the power out of it because of the cam it requires.

The stock distributor's advance curve is matched to the stock FI, so upgrading the carbs or aftermarket EFI means that the advance curve is no longer ideal. The Mallory has a much better advance curve for those induction systems.

2.0 heater boxes (SSI or stock) flow better than 1.7 boxes, and the SSI flows better than stock. So 1.7 is the worst, 2.0 stock is next, and the best is 2.0 SSIs.

And finally, the 2.0 914 head has bigger valves, a nice combustion chamber design and a much better spark plug angle.

None of this stuff is crazy parts to "stack the dyno". These are all commonly recommended parts that tons of people are using to increase the power from their engines.

You couldn't have posted this in the general forum! Either that or I work too much and missed! This is the first I saw this!

Congrats Mark and Jake on your new venture!

I'm posting a link in the general forum. If the admins want to move it let them! This is news worthy!

Rick, I couldn't post it there myself in good conscience. Gotta follow the rules of the forum, right?

Thanks for the link. The interest is growing.

i've been on the phone with jake since last friday and i think he alluded to this deal... but didn't lead me there.
but if i had seen it before this moment, i would have seriously considered it, probably jumped on it.

i have to take my little one sledding, but i'll send off a pm w/questions to you later, mcmark.

i think it's great news for those in need!

I didn't read this thread till Rick posted the crossover thread. Sounds like a deal...too bad about the timing (for me)

Seriously interested Mark, should I PM you/phone you/send a post card/?? Have even taken on an extra job solely to fund 914 stuff!!! Btw are you going to have another show this coming year?

Ian Stott
Moncton

PM me or give me a call at 707-738-5686. Or post cards are nice.

I hope you continue to get interest in these engine packages...seem like a good deal. Especially knowing that the specs on that engine were SSI HE's and webber 40 carbs!

Like one of the others, I have recently bought a house and will have to wait till after my garage construction project to get serious about an engine. If you are still going it by then I'll give you a buzz.

Would this engine work with Dell 45s? I have a set, along with some webber 40's...hmmmm.

for doing this, just hope it's still around once I drop a few scores of thousands of dollars on a garage.

Also, for those that think $5k is a lot for an engine...how about $2200 for a timing belt change (with the seals, tensioners, etc) and 60k service on an audi! And that's the best deal and best guys in the area! German cars ain't cheap and good parts are getting more expensive by the DAY.

Brother I know what you mean about buying a house! We purchased a second home, 200 miles away in Central California, and they do eat up a lot of money that would usually go to more "recreational" projects. We were originally going to rent out this second home but have decided not to since the wife is having too much fun decorating it to risk damage from renters; the long drive, hauling furniture and stuff, all that way just to get to work on a house gets to be sooooo much fun...!

Ron

I'll still be offering them. I expect things will ramp up after christmas. And I have a few other things in the works as well.

I also know as soon as the first person, who isn't me, posts about how mind blowing 125 hp is in a 914, there will be more interest.

I wish there was one local for me to ride in...
I did ride in a modded Beatle with a local guy, was shocked when he took off! Can't remember off hand but it 'only' had 130-135hp..and it felt better than a friends 99 mustang GT...if that really means anything, haha.

Mark and Jake,

Your $5k engine sounds like a winner. While I'm not looking for an engine right now, I hope you both are still pumping them out when I am looking to buy one.

Good luck you guys!

Rob Ways

My thoughts exactly...in fact I've got $5K burning a hole in me pocket right now and it's VERY tempting to just hand it over to McMark. But I think I better do the "adult" thing and pay off our Boxster.

Hang in there guys, the orders will happen over time.

pete

Who wants to be an adult?

Mark,
I am trying to decide if I want to attempt a build with one of Jake's 2056 Kits or have one of these 5K motors built.
Can you expand on what is exactly included with the 5K motor?
does it include dropping the old and installing the new or is just for the motor (self installed)? I have a stock running 74 2.0L to use for the core.
I would like to use injection but don't want to go thru the hassle of rebuild and be stuck losing 15-20 hp staying with stock injection. Thoughts?
If you would like to PM me that is fine. If I decided to go with the 5K motor about how long before the build could be done?

Many thanks

I think it is great you and Jake are making this available.