We have a new member who is French (Will) and who obviously has 914 blood in his veins (plus some of his pictures show that he fits right in with this crowd). And we have a few members from Québec, who speak French as their first language (of which I am), we also have several German-speaking members (Gustl who contributes wonderful info and pictures), and a few Spanish speaking people too and doubtless a great number of others, in Asia and other parts of the world.

Is anyone going to be offended 1) if we exchange the occasional greeting in a foreign language 2) If we end up with the occasional entire thread in a foreign language, as long as it's not technical or of potential benefit to the entire community 3) If we end up with the entire thread in a foreign language, regardless of suject or content or if 4) anything goes.

I've refrained from using French in the past because the vast majority of members are English speaking and I see the 914club as a space to share, whether it's off-topic banter or hard-core 914 technical stuff. Plus our gracious hosts are American and I feel it's only basic courtesy to speak a person's language when in their house, in a way.

I think, however, that the occasional greeting in a foreign language can only help attract members from around the world who will have positive contribution to make.

Perhaps a short discussion will help us all understand what proper or acceptable practice should be.

Michel Richard
French Canadian, in Longueuil

I know a couple Turks on the Pelican 911 board and we exchange pleasantries in Turkish. Doesn't seem to be an issue...

#1 and #2 have already happened.. in Dutch.. and it was cool.

I shouldn't think it's an issue. German and Dutch have both been used on the board a few times. I'd expect SirAndy doesn't mind that at all.

I have no problem with it as long as extended discourses are translated so the rest of us, 2nd language challenged, individuals can get the drift of the conversations.

Welcome to all as long as we don't get sidetracked with lots of foreign language threads that only a few can appreciate.

Lemme get this right. You wanna post in CANADIAN? The Cap'n

I am officially offended if any language other than deufranspangturkeng****ish is used on this board..................


**** add your own

I dont have a problem with it at all, however I cant speak or read french, german, or dutch, so... you guys can talk about me behind my back and I wont have a clue, and I wont be able to offer any tech help.

I dont mind If fellow countrymen exchange greetings jokes etc in their native languages

sa'aalam alaikum

Sok....long as you say bad things about me

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Dec 27 2005, 03:56 PM)

Sok....long as you say bad things about me

Mas matunda Si JP kaysa bundok at mas marumi.

10 points for the first passable translation. This is a joke by the way JP. I would only every insult you at your request (see above).

-Ben M.

Damn it you're a Canadain...speak the Queens english!

(Running...ducking for cover)

Thanks, Ben, I knew I could count on you......whard' he say....whatd' he say?

There have been several threads here that have gone from English to several other languages.

If someone wants to really know what's being said they can use Google language or Babblefish translators to get the general gist of what is being said.

I speak and write several other languages. One of which is English. The others I just make up as I go.

Il y a eu plusieurs fils ici qui sont allés de l'anglais à plusieurs autres langues. Si quelqu'un veut savoir vraiment que ce qui est dit elles peuvent employer la langue de Google ou les traducteurs de Babblefish pour obtenir le gist général de ce qui est dit. Je parle et écris plusieurs autres langues. Un dont est anglais. Les autres que je compose juste pendant que je vais.

The French/Spanish/German/Swiss/Dutch/etc. meanings can't be less clear than some of the half-baked inside jokes that get posted now in hammered 'merican.

Use lots of pictures. Eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one ...

QUOTE (Carl @ Dec 27 2005, 05:56 PM)

The French/Spanish/German/Swiss/Dutch/etc. meanings can't be less clear than some of the half-baked inside jokes that get posted now in hammered 'merican. Use lots of pictures. 8 by 10's with the circles and arrows and a paragraph describing each one ...

Been visiting Alice again huh?

That pic aint Stockbridge Mass.

Utilize whatever language you'd like. I know we have lots and lots of German and Dutch speaking people on the Forum.

Whatever you feel comfortable with.


B

pas de problème (damm, where are the little '^` on this keyboard? aha! found it) ...

ich benutze hier gelegentlich eine fremdsprache

DaHjaj 'oH QaQ jaj Daq Hegh (a free beer for the first that can translate that into english!)

Andy

there's been quite a bit of German on here, some spanish, french and ??? I wouldn't think that would offend anyone... go for it!

we had a thread about German language once and it made me brush up on stuff I haven't used in years... I think it's a great thing to use other languages!

if we really want to know what's happening, we'll pipe it through babelfish!

to my knowlege this isn't the the "american 914 club.com". we might be the majority, but i believe that one of the admin's is on the other side of the pond. so to me this is a international community with the same passion[or insanity,vice,preversion,delusion spl?] so to me, if i want to know what your talking about i'll have to learn your language[barely know my own] or google translate [hopefully you guys will spell better than us new world heathens.]
what i mean is welcome every one.

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 27 2005, 09:38 PM)

DaHjaj 'oH QaQ jaj Daq Hegh (a free beer for the first that can translate that into english!)

Now Have A Nice Day (in Klingon).

Nice try ...

QUOTE (SLITS @ Dec 27 2005, 07:00 PM)

QUOTE (Carl @ Dec 27 2005, 05:56 PM) The French/Spanish/German/Swiss/Dutch/etc. meanings can't be less clear than some of the half-baked inside jokes that get posted now in hammered 'merican.   Use lots of pictures.  8 by 10's with the circles and arrows and a paragraph describing each one ... Been visiting Alice again huh?

oh no!

Thank you for all your kind replys, I will refain a little less, in the future. Will, as-tu lu ceci ? Ta caisse est magnifique !

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Dec 27 2005, 03:49 PM)

Lemme get this right. You wanna post in CANADIAN? The Cap'n

Yes, the nice kind. The kind that was designed to Wooo women, to make their knees buckle


(running for cover now)

QUOTE (Rouser @ Dec 27 2005, 06:00 PM)

Now Have A Nice Day (in Klingon)

Klingon is correct, but your translation is not.

nice try ...

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 27 2005, 10:18 PM)

QUOTE (Rouser @ Dec 27 2005, 06:00 PM) Now Have A Nice Day (in Klingon) Klingon is correct, but your translation is not. nice try ...

Sorry, messed up the translation:

"Today is a good day to die."

After reading some of the posts that are supposed to be in English, this could be an improvement

















Incoming!

You asked so I'll give you an hoenst answer.

The occasional foray into, brief exchanges, or greetings in another language is just fine and I have no issues with that whatsoever. But I think that an entire thread on this site in a language other than English that over 90% of the members don't understand would be... rude. Am I alone in that point?

QUOTE

Am I alone in that point?

Kinda... I think Michel prefaced this thread very well, in his non native tongue..

Step outside yourself for a few minutes...there are 914 enthusiasts in all corners of the globe. there are not that many 914s though LOL

If some of the club member exchange pleasantries in native tongues? whats wrong with that?

QUOTE (TimT @ Dec 27 2005, 08:25 PM)

QUOTE Am I alone in that point?   Kinda... I think Michel prefaced this thread very well, in his non native tongue.. Step outside yourself for a few minutes...there are 914 enthusiasts in all corners of the globe. there aren not that tmany 914 though LOL If some of the club member exchange pleasantries in native tongues? whats wrong with that?

You didn't read what I wrote Tim. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. Brief exchanges, pleasantries, etc... are cool. I think it's fine. But an entire thread... is not necessarily.

Gint, Im sure if fellow countrymen are exchanging pleasantries and catching up on news, we wouldnt be interested for the most part. I also predict this site will not be run over by other than english language threads... I may suggest that some people may learn some of our language by what we type ?

Look at some of the drivel that descends into the ether here..Im sure when it comes to nuts and bolts.. the conversation will be in the english language..and we will all do our best to help out whomever is asking a question.

Post in whatever language you like.

Even in English we have horrid miscommunications between eachother. Figger that one out.

I wish I could speak and read other languages. I'm too busy to learn now. May be if you all translate what you write every once in a while I would eventually pick up on something cool I could post sometime.

Post what you like. I think it's all cool.

Back in the day there were laws against the deaf using sign because people were paraniod about someone talking about them.

I like when people talk about me. But I'm

I say go for it.... Have Fun... Communicate.

IMO most of the fun of the web is the learning experience. Searching for arcane info often leads me to sites in other languages. Looking at the pictures, using a translator and a bit of logic, it's amazing how much I learn.

French 914 site

I am working on learning Dutch and its a bitch to learn. Its nice to greet someone in their own language but a whole thread in another language! yikes, I have enough trouble reading JP's posts......

has du eine grosse bruste?


Thats about all folks, and I'm not even sure thats right, but it sure does get the shit slapped out of you in Munich.

Erik

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Dec 27 2005, 08:57 PM)

I have enough trouble reading JP's posts......

parlez vous JP ???

Andy

QUOTE (Thorshammer @ Dec 27 2005, 09:04 PM)

has du eine grosse bruste?

close enough ...

"Hast Du große Brüste?"

QUOTE (Thorshammer @ Dec 27 2005, 09:04 PM)

has du eine grosse bruste? Thats about all folks, and I'm not even sure thats right, but it sure does get the shit slapped out of you in Munich. Erik

Especially when you say it to a guy

QUOTE (TimT @ Dec 27 2005, 05:21 PM)

That pic aint Stockbridge Mass.

Right again, Timster!
We've got an Alice's Restaurant here, too. Well known to bikers, with & without engines, and sportscars of many flavors. Skyline Boulevard & Hwy 84. Great exercise for the 914.

There are atleast four other Finnish on this site. I think it would be a little impolite if we start to write Finnish threads here. I know rest of you would have no chance to understand what we were talking about . I think it would be very unfair especially if we were talking about something very interesting and new.

So, I think it is more polite to use language most can understand. If we Finnish like to speak Finnish we have our own sites. For example 9xxfin

Greetings and funny comments are ok.

But, this is only my opinion . Do what ever you like. I don´t mind if I see threads in other language. I don´t have to understand everything. (Actually, I don´t understand even all english threads )

Hyvää Uutta Vuotta !!!!

(= Happy New Year)

Alles wird gut.

Say anything you want.
Just be sure to use lots of smilies.

i say post in whatever language you want and for those of us who don't read/speak more than english, cut and paste the text at this website for translation.

altavista babelfish

my wife speaks fluent french (i don't) so she can translate for me!!!!

cheers!

disparaissent maintenant la commande votre voiture !

Me tauk inglesch gud! Me reed inglesch gud.
plees post en inglesch.
Sos I ken reed.
me mite mis piont ov taupik an gooph op my kar, bad.
thanx

I don't see there a problem at all ...
when I entered here, my english was terrible ... this forum helped me improve my english knowledge
whenever I didn't get the point of a thread I thought I could contribute something I asked what's it about and always got the answer
is some cases Andy had to translate it though ...

nowdays I think my english is good enaugh to catch most of the essential topics

so - just be activ on board and you will integrate yourself well, IMHO


btw.
isn't this out of a Arlo Guthrie song:

QUOTE

Eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one ...

IIRC it had something to do with blind justice - about 25 min amusement ...

Gustl

I'm new here but I don't have a problem with it, as long as they keep sending pictures like the woman TV remote in his blog.......LOL

I don't have a problem with any language being used here. The only thing I would ask is that any NEW information related to our 914's be translated into English (at least) for the benefit of all. This site is truly an international resource and should be promoted that way.

Dave

QUOTE (Gustl @ Dec 28 2005, 09:02 AM)

btw. isn't this out of a Arlo Guthrie song: QUOTE Eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one ... IIRC it had something to do with blind justice - about 25 min amusement ... Gustl

Alice's Restaurant
By Arlo Guthrie


This song is called Alice's Restaurant, and it's about Alice, and the
restaurant, but Alice's Restaurant is not the name of the restaurant,
that's just the name of the song, and that's why I called the song Alice's
Restaurant.

You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on
Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the
restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the
church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and
Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of
room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room,
seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't
have to take out their garbage for a long time.

We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be
a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So
we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW
microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed
on toward the city dump.

Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the
dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump
closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off
into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the
side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the
cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile
is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we
decided to throw our's down.

That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving
dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the
next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid,
we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage."

After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
police officer's station. So we got in the red VW microbus with the
shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
police officer's station.

Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
the police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
we didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
and told us never to be see driving garbage around the vicinity again,
which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid.
Get in the back of the patrol car."

And that's what we did, sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the
quote Scene of the Crime unquote. I want tell you about the town of
Stockbridge, Massachusets, where this happened here, they got three stop
signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the
Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars,
being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to
get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of
cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station.
They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and
they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach,
the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to
mention the aerial photography.

After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put
us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your
wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my
wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you
want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I
said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"
Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat,
and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.

We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up,
and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the
judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each
one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And
we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
what I came to tell you about.

Came to talk about the draft.

They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Didn't feel too good about it.

Proceeded on down the hall gettin more injections, inspections,
detections, neglections and all kinds of stuff that they was doin' to me
at the thing there, and I was there for two hours, three hours, four
hours, I was there for a long time going through all kinds of mean nasty
ugly things and I was just having a tough time there, and they was
inspecting, injecting every single part of me, and they was leaving no
part untouched. Proceeded through, and when I finally came to the see the
last man, I walked in, walked in sat down after a whole big thing there,
and I walked up and said, "What do you want?" He said, "Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
up and said.

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-
know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-
you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-
officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say", and talked for
forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that he said, but we had
fun filling out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there,
and I filled out the massacre with the four part harmony, and wrote it
down there, just like it was, and everything was fine and I put down the
pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there, there on the
other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on
the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the
following words:

("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")

I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and
said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

With feeling. So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

So we'll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

We're just waitin' for it to come around is what we're doing.

All right now.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Excepting Alice
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

Da da da da da da da dum
At Alice's Restaurant

How to kill a thread................

It was also a movie based on the song..............

thanks - but off course I knew it ...

I could offer the .WAV file, but it's 186 MB

once recorded it from an old vinyl disc directly into my computer
this song is just too cool