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I guess a shiny airfilter creates a lot of power

its possible, the price would be a little higher IMHO if it was really 236HP, and I think we'd be seeing twin plug stuff

I would say yes its possible...

But it would have very high CR and probably only good for one season at best.

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A 236 HP 2.0six???, Is that possible??

Close if thats a 901/20, 901/21, or 901/25 0r a 911/XX series race engine.

But I dont think that engine makes anywhere near that power.

No tall Intakes
No twin plugs
No light flywheel.
Has provisions for heat, The 906 variants didnt have shrouds that allowed for heat

I bet that its a tired 110hp T engine with a chrome aircleaner. The bidders have already bid it up to the max and engine like this might be worth

If you are the high bidder you may want to withdraw your bid

im pretty sure john roger's 906 cammed 2L is 220 hp at the crank

My friend claims about the 236 HP for his 906 based engine with about 2.4 liter displacement. Therefore I doubt that the same is easily doable with a 2.0 liter engine. I'd guess 136 HP is high for that engine. Fellow can't even find the engine #, but tells us the case is a 5R instead.

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 3 2006, 07:32 PM)

QUOTE A 236 HP 2.0six???, Is that possible?? Close if thats a 901/20, 901/21, or 901/25 0r a 911/XX series race engine. But I dont think that engine makes anywhere near that power. No tall Intakes No twin plugs No light flywheel. Has provisions for heat, The 906 variants didnt have shrouds that allowed for heat I bet that its a tired 110hp T engine with a chrome aircleaner. The bidders have already bid it up to the max and engine like this might be worth If you are the high bidder you may want to withdraw your bid

so your saying that I could find a 2.0 liter six for 1500 or less??

Rich

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 3 2006, 04:32 PM)

If you are the high bidder you may want to withdraw your bid

It ain't me! My plan doesn't involve a 2.0

Yes 220 is possible, My 2.2 Is 200 with EFI and modern tricks..

All you need to know to find out about that engine is the number stamped by the fan support.. I bet its 901/03, 901/338-39..

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so your saying that I could find a 2.0 liter six for 1500 or less??

Yes, however I forgot to adjust for the Webers.. which are worth a bit on there own.

Last year I sold a friend of mine a 2.0/6 almost everything sans Webers for $500.. I was happy to get $500 for the dust collecting object, he was happy to get it. The 2.0 T is not a really desirable engine.. really small ports, poor combustion chamber.

The cast crank is actually desirable in some circles..

Porsche managed 220 @ 8.000 in 906 trim with slidethrottle MFI or Weber 46's at 10,3:1 compression and twin ignition.

236 is a BIG stretch for a single ignition engine with 40mm Webers.
interestingly, it does have a MFI left cam tho...

it is *not* an original 914.6 engine, not with that 9011061015R case - and that number is just a 2,2 case casting number - *not* an engine serial number.

i think it's probably a 2,2 or more likely 2,3 for which 230+ HP is doable.

OK - probably mis-spoke...

the 9011061015R is the FAN SHROUD casting number...

i saw the '5R' and jumped to the wrong conclusion...

i have no idea what kind of case it is.
but i *do* know that ain't the engine serial number :-)

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 3 2006, 07:44 PM)

QUOTE so your saying that I could find a 2.0 liter six for 1500 or less?? Yes, however I forgot to adjust for the Webers.. which are worth a bit on there own. Last year I sold a friend of mine a 2.0/6 almost everything sans Webers for $500.. I was happy to get $500 for the dust collecting object, he was happy to get it. The 2.0 T is not a really desirable engine.. really small ports, poor combustion chamber. The cast crank is actually desirable in some circles..

so Tim..buddy, pal...

How about just some heads...

two complete sets for a 2.0 liter ...cams and all...

what are those worth?
I am experimenting...so cheap is good...my ideas may never work...

Rich

This looks like an even better deal than I got.

Instant SIX conversion

If the engine runs, it is the deal of a lifetime.


KT

QUOTE (trekkor @ Jan 3 2006, 06:26 PM)

This looks like an even better deal than I got. Instant SIX conversion If the engine runs, it is the deal of a lifetime. KT

Funny you should say that. When I saw it I thought it looked like a "Trekkor" deal

QUOTE (r_towle @ Jan 3 2006, 04:22 PM)

I would say yes its possible... But it would have very high CR and probably only good for one season at best.

Very high and only 1 season IMHO....

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How about just some heads...

I think I may have a set of 2.0 T heads left.. Ill check.. I usually adjust price in relation to the amount of dust that has collected on them

gimme a few days

I actually think that 236 is possible.
I'm not saying that this motor pictured is capable....just saying is all.

In the 2.0/6 vintage circle there are a few motors putting out power like that without twin plug. I know of one that supposedly wheel dyno'd at 205 with single plug.
I think this was at 5,000ft of elavation. so I'm guessing its over 236 at the crank.

ain't cheap though
and can spin past 8K if needed. (9K I believe I was told)
not really an endurance motor either.
brant

QUOTE (brant @ Jan 3 2006, 07:01 PM)

In the 2.0/6 vintage circle there are a few motors putting out power like that without twin plug.

Yup! The "2.0 challenge" has some guys that are making positively insane amounts of power out of whatever the displacement cap is for that class. (I'm guessing it's 1991cc, the stock 2.0 Six displacement, but that's a guess.) Their motors are not built for durability, and they are evidently only available to the "cost-no-object open-checkbook" crowd.

That amount of power is definitely possible from a 2.0-size 911 engine, at least for one race at a time. Is it likely to be from this engine? I don't know--from reading the above comments, it doesn't sound like it is...

--DD

Might not be a bad deal when you figure in the cost of the oil tank and the webers. If I had the money (if I had any money :-)) I might look seriously at it. Not to mention that you should have an aluminum case to build on

QUOTE (r_towle @ Jan 3 2006, 06:25 PM)

[QUOTE=TimT,Jan 3 2006, 07:44 PM] so Tim..buddy, pal... How about just some heads... two complete sets for a 2.0 liter ...cams and all... what are those worth? I am experimenting...so cheap is good...my ideas may never work... Rich

I have a complete set of 1969 T heads and cams as well if anyone needs them.

The thing to keep in mind with this guys motor is he says its 'rated' at 236. Hell, I'll rate my 2.0 at 280 if that's all it takes. Plus, based on this guys feedback and other auctions, I wouldn't consider him a Porsche expert...

A while back I saw Feddy Baker's vintage 914-6 2.0 being assembled and I thought the power output was above 220. However, it's been a while and I can't remember if it was twin plugged or not.

Dion

My 911 guy says that twin plugs are only good for like 15 horses once you get past the 200 mark

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 3 2006, 09:26 PM)

My 911 guy says that twin plugs are only good for like 15 horses once you get past the 200 mark

isnt the point of twinplug to beable to run ONE More point of compression on same octane fuel.......

btw - who are you?

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 3 2006, 08:27 PM)

btw - who are you?

My 2L engine has 185 HP at the rear wheels when it was being jetted on the dyno last year. The power was dropped back some for a tad more life.

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 3 2006, 09:27 PM)

isnt the point of twinplug to beable to run ONE More point of compression on same octane fuel.......

doesn't really compute that directly.
here is the problem the way I understand it.

when you get that much compression (above 11-1, 12-1, or even 13-1)
your in "big time intereference" territory.
When you crank up the compression, you have to lower the cams amount of lift to keep from creating big "sparks" at higher rpm.

so dual plugs don't gaurantee you another point of compression. Your limited by something else (lift, heads, valves)

I know of a builder that built 3 vintage 2.0L motors all at the same time. One was a twin plug and the other 2 were single plugs. The single plugs were pumping out within 8-10hp of the twin's output on a dyno. The twin plug went for a period correct set up with big 46mm carbs and higher rpm. The single plugs were running 40mm carbs (to be legal) but got a lot more torque in the real world. The builder believes more strongly in the lift side of the trade off (versus the compression side of the trade off)

motors were very similar!!!!

the single plugs run in a 911 vintage car (67S)
the twin plug runs in a 914 vintage car (M471)
both are excellent drivers!
both run the same times, give or take a 10th!

brant

QUOTE (john rogers @ Jan 3 2006, 09:33 PM)

My 2L engine has 185 HP at the rear wheels when it was being jetted on the dyno last year. The power was dropped back some for a tad more life.

John,

what altitude was that at?
what parasitic loss equation do you figure? (15%?)

so probably around 210 at the crank?.... Nice Job!

hey....
doesn't that flywheel look "windowed"

maybe it really is a race motor?

brant

I need a *secret* money pile


KT

If it's a race motor, why does it still have the heating ducts instead of block off plates?

I do agree that the price for just the flywheel, aluminum case, and webers adds up to $1500 easily.

236 hp or not, if it can be gotten for the right price, it's probably not too bad as long as you are prepared to go through it as the seller suggests.

Dion

No guarantee that it is an aluminum case (or did I miss something).... but it does have the original 6 mounts and tin....

Highest I've seen in person is 220Hp from a 2.0...and that had all the trick parts, like 906 manifolds, custom work and wild cam etc. Would backfire out the builder's exhaust fan on his building if he had the fan running before he had it idling

$1500 currently, comes with what looks like stock 914-6 tin, oil cooler, oil tank, pod engine mount. If it runs and is even a 110hp engine, $1500 is a great deal all the way up to probably $2k for all that stuff included. Talk about bolt in and go!