Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club?

I like this kind of stuff....

just bought a 1970 made in feburary

sweet....that's got to be up there

Spot appears to have the oldest /6 and Shadowcat seems to have the oldest /4

My first 914 was made in 69 with a vin of 4702901654

QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 4 2006, 06:43 PM)

Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club?

brad was for a while ...

if you talk about production 914s, take a look at the members VIN section ...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=VINs

lots of junk in there, but it looks like the legit VINs for the original sixes start at:

9140430012 gms
9140430029 SixCyl
9140430055 GradyClay
9140430079 flat930

and for the four cylinder cars at:

4702900036 bumble
4702900746 taby98
4702900855 brionsab
4702900867 Neil_Craig
4702900885 MTDriver
4702900945 Joe Ricard
4702900979 Mike McGrath


Andy

I've got 2732 made in 1/70.

Just like auto crossing, I am an "also ran"... The new kid is 8849

So you have a frame of reference, mine has a tag from 12/69 on the door jamb (0979).

Mike (in Portland)

that is OLD!

Thats wierd Mike because my car has a sticker that says 1/70 and the number is 945. (Red Neck Racer)
So now who is older yours or mine?

I also have 5566 I think it is 4/70. (the stripper)

I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75

QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 5 2006, 07:00 AM)

So now who is older yours or mine?

compare Karmann chassis numbers in the trunk to determine when the shells were made.

the body factory didn't lead sequentially into the production facility (where VINs were assigned). this is especially true for the /6's ...

VIN: 4702905859
Chassis:1249580
Paint Code: L 21 E
Date: 3/70

#4702903114 Blt 01/70

It's good to see some early survivors out there. #36! That's like the first weeks production

So, is mine the 12,025th or 2025th made?

4702912025

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Apr 4 2006, 09:20 PM)

brad was for a while ...

Harsh! But Funny
You gonna take that Brad?

The fact that somebody has one built in 1969 is really cool....

I've been researching this recently and it is quite interesting. I've corresponded with bumble (in Australia) and I don't think the car has a chassis #. In the 900 range the chassis are most likely November with completion dates in December. I'm trying to figure out the 69<>70 VIN split. So I may be contacting many of you for more info, and particularly the paint code & chassis # from the Karmann tag and the date code from the decal.

On the sixes, gms has a nice one in #12. I personally have gone over #33 and it still has its 11/69 date code on the decal. It has the really weird paint code of "29 / 29" where I was expecting to just see "29". Its chassis # is 130008, so I'm guessing that several early cars did not have chassis #'s.

QUOTE (7T Porsha @ Apr 5 2006, 09:21 AM)

So, is mine the 12,025th or 2025th made? 4702912025

12025

last 5 digits for the 914/4 and last 4 for the 914/6

QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Apr 5 2006, 03:00 AM)

1/70 and the number is 945. 4/70 5566

Both those dates do not look correct. Please verify, photos are nice. Oh, and check the stamped VIN's. There is one in the 900's that has a 600 decal where only the 6 was wrong. Not the first mistake we have seen.

QUOTE (blitZ @ Apr 5 2006, 03:08 AM)

I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75

close but no cigar!

4702904992 made in Feb of 1970...

Neu

QUOTE (davep @ Apr 5 2006, 09:48 AM)

So I may be contacting many of you for more info, and particularly the paint code & chassis # from the Karmann tag and the date code from the decal.

mine was late in the '70 production run, but here it is:

VIN: 470.29.12181
Chassis: 3329543
Paint: "Signal Orange" #1410 - Code: "L 20 E"

no stickers anywhere that survived ...

Andy

That's got to be #4...

the data so far

4702900916 4819507 12/69
4702900979 12/69
4702901654 12/69
4702902094 5149564 1/70
4702902543 1/70
4702902732 1/70
4702902769 0239575 1/70
4702903114 1/70
4702904992 2/70
4702905369 1039537 3/70
4702905859 3/70
4702907092 1559526
4702908339 2029578
4702909002 2219506
4702909727 2329505
4702910976 2829536
4702912181 3329543
4712901742 3839565 9/70

So it looks like I need a lot more data to fill in each of the months. All info is greatly appreciated.

470.29.10526 is my '70

nice work dave, keep it up....

where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive.

QUOTE (mcbain77 @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 AM)

where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive.

one place is the rear trunk floor, just in front of the pass. side taillight, stamped into the floor ...

Andy

4702910911

QUOTE (mcbain77 @ Apr 6 2006, 10:55 AM)

where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN is easy but this chassis number is elusive.

Here are some examples: the Karmann badge on drivers door hinge post has the paint code. For the 914/4 it also has the chassis #.

Chassis # in the rear trunk floor. In 1970 is is in front of the trunk lock.
From 1972 it is in front of the right taillight. Chassis # for the six is completely different than the 914/4.

The decal. I call it the DOT decal and it is only for North America AFAIK.

The oldest production I know of is; Dec. 1 1969,
owner; Glenn Stazak
Website; http://www.stazak.com/914

Paul

I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car. I think that Dec 1 date comes from a COA, and oftentimes they have the first day of the month. Well, I know they built on more days than just the first of the month. So either they don't know the date and try to be too precise or they are just being sloppy.

just out of curiousity, what was the production number for the nov. 1969 car?

QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 6 2006, 06:45 PM)

just out of curiousity, what was the production number for the nov. 1969 car?

A bit tricky to see but it is 9140430033.

Glenn's vin is #9140430012

Paul

QUOTE (Kersey @ Apr 7 2006, 06:02 PM)

Glenn's vin is #9140430012

That is why I say the build date of Glenn's car has to be before Dec 1, 1969.
I also have 9140430019 being built in Oct 69 and 0059 in Nov 69.

Dave, I'm curious. Is #0033 a U.S. import car? Any unusual details you know of?

Don

I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is very interesting. But a build date of Dec 1 is bogus. I have seen a car with Nov 1969 date code that is later than Glenn's car.

If you read the COA carefully, it says it was DELIVERED on December 1, 1969. Perhaps they are referring to when it left the factory or when it arrived at the dealer?

QUOTE (sixerdon @ Apr 7 2006, 06:17 PM)

Is #0033 a U.S. import car? Any unusual details you know of?

0033 was delivered by VW Canada, and was possibly the only 914/6 officially imported by VW Canada. It was sold to a VW Canada employee in May 1970, and used as a race car, never licensed for the street. It has a lot of race history.It is difficult to see anything unusual since it has been extensively modified, but I do note the color code is 29 / 29 and I don't know why the number is doubled.

That's really interesting. Dave, what's your method for tracing the history of specific cars?

4702900304

VIN# for the Rocket which I no longer own....thanks to DaveP for finding it.

After owning this 914 for 30+ years, I learn about "chassis" #s! I thought the V.I.N. would be the chassis # as well. So I look, and sure enough, there it is in the trunk, corresponding to the Karmann tag on the door jamb.

1970 914/4 V.I.N. 4702903114 Built 01.70
chassis # 0319595 paint# L11E

QUOTE (drewvw @ Apr 8 2006, 04:37 AM)

That's really interesting. Dave, what's your method for tracing the history of specific cars?

Well, 0033 is a local car and I know the owner. I borrowed his documentation for a few weeks. Included the original service booklet, never used except for the dealer stamp, the original owner, VIN and engine # and the date of delivery. He had saved a ton of stuff. This was a homebuilt conversion GT.

For most other cars I find the VIN and owner contact wherever I can, then ask questions. Been at it 30 years though.

4702903114 Built 01.70 chassis # 0319595
Chassis 95 built on the Monday 3rd week of 1970, so the middle of January the body was welded up and painted. Then in the next two weeks it was assembled, given a VIN, and went out the door.

It was about twenty years ago that I collected enough chassis data to see the pattern and understand the date code.

Interesting, fascinating and very much appreciated. I'll have to check the original service booklet to see when the original (and previous) owner took delivery.

Thanks for info, Dave!

Dave,
Two more sixes to add to your data bank;

VIN; 9140430137
CH; 130229
DATE; 01/70
COLOR; 2910 CANARY YELLOW

VIN; 9140431372
CH; 131543
DATE; 04/70
COLOR; 8010 SILVER MET.

Let me know when you break the chassis code for the sixes.

Don

New member here...just looked up the VIN on one of my 70 914s...4702900544.

Where does this one stand in your record?