TROJANMAN
Jun 7 2006, 11:43 AM
Scott Carlberg
Jun 7 2006, 11:52 AM
"There IS no Substitute".
Demick
Jun 7 2006, 12:04 PM
Porsche averages between 911 problems per 1000 vehicles.
Coincidence? I think not. :-)
turboman808
Jun 7 2006, 12:08 PM
Initial quality survey is not a reliability survery.
tat2dphreak
Jun 7 2006, 12:19 PM
the point made about design issues vs. flaws is where the difference really lies...
"For example, BMW vehicles have among the fewest defects and malfunctions, along with Toyota," said Ivers. "But BMW approaches controls and displays in a way that creates some problems for customers, leading to more design-related problems overall than Toyota incurs."
porsche's simple interiors leave no flaws in design, so their 91 problems per 100 were probably actual problems that required a fix... not just design flaws that the mfg. can do nothing about... they compared the Cayman to the TT,Vette, and benz slk AMG... I dunno about the TT, but the vette and benz have been notoriously ripped for issues requiring warranty work...
still, a good read, and I think it's about time that the award take into account bad design...
MattR
Jun 7 2006, 12:29 PM
QUOTE(tat2dphreak @ Jun 7 2006, 11:19 AM)
porsche's simple interiors leave no flaws in design
I beg to differ. I've worked on more then a couple of 996s and 997s, and the interiors arent "simple". They are really well thought out, but there are lots of panels with high quality fasteners. I tore apart a honda last week and it was filled with crappy fasteners and a poorly thought out (albiet cheap) interior assembly. I wouldnt say the porsche is any "simpler" then a honda, lexus, toyota, etc. only of higher quality matererials and better design.
Yeah yeah, I'm a Porsche fan... go friggen figure.
tat2dphreak
Jun 7 2006, 12:34 PM
I meant simpler from the user standpoint, not from the mfg. standpoint...
porsceh lays everything out in a sensible way that WORKS very well for the driver... compared to the new BMWs that are complicated to operate the heating, radio, etc...
grantsfo
Jun 7 2006, 12:40 PM
Practical expereince tells me a Toyota is much more reliable and free of quality defects.
My $9000 2002 Toyota Echo didnt have a single mechnical issue or quality problem the entire 60,000 miles I put on the car over 4 years.
My $41,000 2002 Porsche Boxster had a multitude of quality issues over 50,000 miles and 4 years:
3 RMS leaks and very expensive repairs (covered under warranty)
Paint quality issue ( paint seperated from the body)
Air Conditioning drains were not properly installed causing flood of water into the car damaging carpets and insulation.
Premature front wheel bearing failure.
Constant front end vibration that was never fixed by the dealer - ulimately I brought the car to a profesional alignment shop who where able to fix the front end.
...and a few other minor interior issues.
Air_Cooled_Nut
Jun 7 2006, 02:36 PM
With higher tech cars come bigger owner's manuals...and we know how much people read manuals...they don't! I'm sure that leads to negative votes from consumers (their own stupidity).
0396
Jun 7 2006, 08:17 PM
Buy a Honda
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