QUOTE(soloracer @ Jul 13 2006, 09:06 PM)
You could always go with a Hewland or Mendeola transmission couldn't you? Wouldn't they be about the same price as the GT3 tranny? And you could get it with a sequential shifter too. How much is the GT3 box?
Hello, I am new to the forum, my name is Clark.
This is what I found on the G50. There is only one side cover so you can not flip the pinion or ring gear; therefore, the tranny needs to be mounted up side down or inverted or the car will have 5 gears for reverse and one gear forward lol . It is long, although, it can be shortened by machining and modification to the bell housing and the input shaft. The bolt pattern to engine is not symetrical when the tranny is fipped inverted; therefore, the hole next to the starter needs to be weld-filled and redrilled if you are attaching it to a Porsche engine. If you are using an adapter plate to mount another engine type the adapter plate if made for a G50 will include the new hole pattern.
A Problem is that The early Porsche PUSH style 'cup-type' (and VW,914) flywheel as is normally used in a 901/902 4 or 5-speed transaxle, (or VW 4-speed) trans is not used in the later 911,915 or G50.
The later transaxles 911, 915, G50 and used the PULL type of pressure plate assembly as used on the G50 and later transmissions.
The later 'pull-type' has the throw-out bearing attached to the center of the spring. The throw-out arm engages a slot in the bearing and pulls on the diaphram.
From the research I have done, the only way I see to install a G50 with the 914 T4 engine is to machine a VW Bus flywheel (914 215mm Flywheel is too small) to remove the ring gear and machine it down flat to the friction disc surface, Drill and pin the modified flywheel to accept a Porsche 911 225mm Pressure Plate. Use an early Porsche 944 Clutch Friction Disc since it uses the same center splines as a G50. Install a Porsche 964 Throw-out Bearing in the center of the 911 Pressure Plate which will fit the throw out fork of the G50. And shim the Starter motor for correct engagement of the ring gear...After all that the gear ratios will be too tall unless you are using a very powerful modified T4 engine to make it work!
Here is some more info on the G50, how it is made to work in some other cars FYI:
Porsche transmission type: 950
The Merits of The G50 Gearbox Have Been Written And Discussed Before - Simply Put - This Gearbox Is The Most - Easy To Use - best Modern Gearbox For Your Classic Porsche 911.
The 5-speed (and later, 6-speed G50 series of Porsche transaxles) were originally installed in 911s from 1987 to 1994. The original G50 is a 5 Speed - H Pattern Gearbox Featuring The Borg Warner Synchromesh System.
Getrag'S High Quality Casting - Ample Case Reinforcement Ribbing make The G50 an Excellent Choice For Higher Output Applications and a Favorite to adapt to mid-engine replicas due to it's ability to handle high-power, and high-torque racing engines.
GT40 Application
For the GT40 and other mid-engine applications the transmission is mounted inverted.
The GT40 was designed to use either the T44 or the ZF Transaxle. Unfortunately, these transaxles are getting rather scarce and the aftermarket is not bringing affordable alternatives to bear.
The alternate transaxles recommended by the replica manufacturers are:
*Audi 016 (which requires the engine to be mounted 1.5” higher in order to get an acceptable angle on the CV joints and half-shafts.
Not acceptable to most).
*Porsche 930 (long or short) - Pricey and only a 4 speed.
*Porsche G50/01, G50/50 and G50/52 - Pricey and hard to find but they’re out there...
Or the more common 950 Porsche G50/03 and modify it to be acceptable to the Chassis. This is a 5- speed transaxle that has been upgraded to steel synchronizers
and oil spray ports to keep the gears cool. There are modifications required to make this transmission work in the GT40 replica:
*The Forward Mounting donut and boss must be removed.
*The shifter-shaft must be shortened (this requires machining of the housing).
*The G50/03 is roughly 2” longer than the other G50 trans mentioned above so that means that the engine / transaxle needs to move forward.
This is not necessarily a bad thing since the centerline of the transmission axle stubs are roughly 3” behind the centerline of the rear axles.
However – There is a limit as to just how far forward you can move the driveline before entering the passenger cabin.
G50 can be mated to the GT40 and to several engines by using aftermarket adapters.
These are the popular choices because they are light, relatively inexpensive to acquire, and, compared to some of the later choices, relatively compact.
Aftermarket adapter plates are available to adapt the G50 to the following engines:
BMW V12
Chevy LS series (all)
Ferrari V12 (400i)
Ford Windsor (e.g., Ford SB 289,302,351 to 427)
Ford Mod motor (including Coyote)
Porsche Mid-Engine Modification
For Porsche six-cylinder, mid-engine inverted G50 use such as in the Porsche 917 and 962 replicas where an adapter plate is not applicable the effective and reliable method is to machine the G50 bell housing to FLIP the HOUSING BOLT PATTERN. This is required since the bell housing bolt pattern is not symmetrical.
Early Porsche 911 Modification (prior to 1987)
The G50 is about 25mm too long to fit a 3.2 911 body shell with the torsion bar tube used with a 915 transmission.
You could carry out major surgery and fit a G50 type Torsion bar tube which would also involve moving the rear engine mounts - as the engine is slightly further back. You would also need to change the torsion bars and spring plates. Hugely expensive. You will need to change the gear lever console as the G50 has an internally sprung gate and this will fight with 915 tower springs and give a very, very poor shift. The gear shift rod is also different.
The next option would be to 'shorten' the G50. This involves stripping the box and then machining 25mm off the length of the bell housing and shortening the main-shaft by the same amount. You would need to weld #pocket' into the bellhousing to support the mounting bolts and then re-machine to ensure it will clear the flywheel.
You will also need a different clutch release bearing tube and a custom flywheel (an aluminium 240mm would be suitable) and clutch. You will also need the correct 'throw' out arm and all of the associated parts. The gear shift console will still need to be changed as above.
The final way is to cut out the centre section of the torsion bar tube and fit 935 style spring plates with spherical joints and use Bilstein Rear Coil overs with springs of about 500lb/in to replace the torsion bars. The gear change console still needs changing as well.
G50 Types:
• Type: G50/00, G50/01, G50/02
• Original equipment for: Porsche 911 Carrera 1987-1989
• Description: H Pattern 5 speed manual transaxle with Borg Warner single cone synchromesh and synchronized reverse
• Limited Slip Differential: 40% LSD optional equipment
• Weight (approx): 146lbs
• Oil Capacity (approx): 3L API classification GL5 75/90
• Speedometer: Electric speedometer/hall sensor
• Trans controls: Rod linkage
• Clutch: Hydraulically assisted pull clutch, 240mm single plate
• 1st gear 3.500 (3.154 G50/02)
• 2nd gear 2.059 (1.895 G50/02)
• 3rd gear 1.409 (1.333 G50/02)
• 4th gear 1.13 (1.074 G50/00) (1.036 G50/02)
• 5th gear 0.89 (0.861 G50/00 and G50/02)
• Final drive 3.44, 7.5”
• Type: G50/50
• Original equipment for: Porsche 911/930 Turbo, 1989 only
• Description: H Pattern 5 speed manual transaxle with Borg Warner single cone synchromesh and synchronized reverse
• Limited Slip Differential: 40% LSD optional equipment
• Weight (approx): 156lbs
• Oil Capacity (approx): 3.7L API classification GL5 75/90
• Speedometer: Electric speedometer/hall sensor
• Trans controls: Rod linkage
• Clutch: Hydraulically assisted pull clutch, 240mm single plate
• 1st gear 3.154
• 2nd gear 1.789
• 3rd gear 1.269
• 4th gear 0.967
• 5th gear 0.767
• Final drive 3.44, 9”
• Trans type: G50/03, G50/04, G50/05
• Original equipment for: Porsche 911/964 Carrera 2, 1990-1994
• Description: H Pattern 5 speed manual transaxle with Borg Warner single cone synchromesh and synchronized reverse
• Limited Slip Differential: 40% LSD optional equipment
• Weight (approx): 146lbs
• Oil Capacity (approx): 3.6L API classification GL5 75/90
• Speedometer: None
• Trans controls: Rod linkage
• Clutch: Hydraulically assisted pull clutch, 240mm single plate
• 1st gear 3.500
• 2nd gear 2.059 (1.90 G50/04)
• 3rd gear 1.407 (1.33 G50/04)
• 4th gear 1.086 (1.03 G50/04)
• 5th gear 0.868
• Final drive 3.444, 7.5” (3.33 G50/05)
• Type: G64/00, G64/01
• Original equipment for: Porsche 911/964 Carrera 4 AWD, 1989; 1991-1994
• Description: H Pattern 5 speed manual transaxle with Borg Warner single cone synchromesh and synchronized reverse
• Limited Slip Differential: Variable (0-100%) with longitudinal lock
• Weight (approx): 176lbs
• Oil Capacity (approx): 3.8L API classification GL5 75/90
• Speedometer: None
• Trans controls: Rod linkage
• Clutch: Hydraulically assisted pull clutch, 240mm single plate
• 1st gear 3.500
• 2nd gear 2.118
• 3rd gear 1.444
• 4th gear 1.086
• 5th gear 0.868
• Final drive 3.44, 7.5”
• Type: G50/52
• Original equipment for: Porsche 911/930/965 Turbo, 1991-1994
• Description: H Pattern 5 speed manual transaxle with Borg Warner single cone synchromesh and synchronized reverse
• Limited Slip Differential: 20/100% LSD standard equipment
• Weight (approx): 156lbs
• Oil Capacity (approx): 3.7L API classification GL5 75/90
• Speedometer: None
• Trans controls: Rod linkage
• Clutch: Hydraulically assisted pull clutch, 240mm single plate
• 1st gear 3.154
• 2nd gear 1.789
• 3rd gear 1.269
• 4th gear 0.967
• 5th gear 0.767
• Final drive 3.44, 9”