QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 25 2007, 02:13 PM)
typicall engineer ... you think too much ...
that, plus a few false assumptions, and you just created yourself a nice "roadblock" ...
a few things:
- steering effort with wide tires. a myth, unless you try to turn them with the car sitting. as soon as it rolls, all will be fine.
i'm running 10" slicks and steering, even when going slow in the pits, is just fine.
you'll be able to steer 245 street tires with one finger ...
- 245 too wide without a v8.
i ran 225 with my 1.7L. in fact, i ran the 10" slicks with my 1.7L.
the wider the track, the more contact patch, the better your cornering. regardless of engine size ...
- more drag due to wider body. yeah, but negligible. the 914 (narrow body) has a better CD than the 930. the GT flares won't add much ...
if you're interested in driving your 914 on the edge and hard cornering is something you enjoy, you *will* benefit from wider tires and a wider track.
regardless of engine size.
a bigger contact patch will also help you accelerate quicker as it provides more traction. same goes for negative acceleration (better stoppage is gud!)
if the above is not your cup of tea, a narrow body car will work just fine. i know of several cars that push anywhere from 250 HP to 400 HP on 205 street tires in a narrow-body chassis.
they all are a handful to drive ...
Andy
Well, I'm no engineer....but I did say when I think....it's dangerous....and sometimes hurts my brain...
As for steering effort...I disagree...ever parallel park your 914 with 245s all around?
Bigger is not always better....larger contact patch =better cornering yes, but you have to turn those big boots...how much time are you at your limit of adhesion in a corner vs the rest of a lap?
Taller wider tires are bigger and require more power to turn them....Try riding your 10 speed bike all the time in 10th gear....you'd do better if you had more power....
unless you have an abundance if power (can break 'em away in 2nd gear+ type power) your acceleration is slower. I submit your 1.7 cornered wonderfully but was too slow everywhere else...oversize tires also carry more inertia as the rotating mass is larger...
Widebody pushes more air, the faster you go the harder it gets....put your hand out a window at speed like we did as kids....see!...the 930 has some power to push through this...at 95 or so HP a small 4 banger is taxed heavily....we noticed a huge difference when widening my VW GTI race car....flares/225 vs 205/stock was 1/2 to 3/4 sec slower per lap at mosport....about the same as a 180 pound weight penalty.
A narrowbody 300hp car on street tires will be easy to lose control of....but many 914 six conversions are between 2.0 (S@170HP)...and my plan of a 3.2 (@207 HP). The main question is at what power is a 225 wide R compound tire overpowered? My 72 911 S (2300lbs@190) was not outperforming 215 SO-3 street tires and it was very quick....I'm sure 205 R compounds would have worked perfect....
I am new to 914s but not Porsches or racing and auto X....but after all this I'm really just stirring the pot.....BTW I have been planning 245s and flares...mostly because I have retired from racing and don't want to be at the edge of preformance all the time....and they look cool!
Cheers....
Anybody else?