G e o r g e
May 31 2007, 09:48 AM
try'd to read your question but all of the yellow gave me a headache
por73914
May 31 2007, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(George H. @ May 31 2007, 10:48 AM)

try'd to read your question but all of the yellow gave me a headache

Ok ok I was bored at work...
Bartlett 914
May 31 2007, 10:25 AM
This was a little confusing to me also. My first thought is the seat belt relay under the passenger seat may be a problem. The 2 large yellow wires (with or without red stripes) can be connected together to bypass the relay.
por73914
May 31 2007, 10:37 AM
QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ May 31 2007, 11:25 AM)

This was a little confusing to me also. My first thought is the seat belt relay under the passenger seat may be a problem. The 2 large yellow wires (with or without red stripes) can be connected together to bypass the relay.
I did conect the Yellow\Red to the Yellow and it worked...one time now there is no power from the switch.
Bartlett 914
May 31 2007, 11:10 AM
QUOTE(por73914 @ May 31 2007, 08:37 AM)

QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ May 31 2007, 11:25 AM)

This was a little confusing to me also. My first thought is the seat belt relay under the passenger seat may be a problem. The 2 large yellow wires (with or without red stripes) can be connected together to bypass the relay.
I did conect the Yellow\Red to the Yellow and it worked...one time now there is no power from the switch.
Sounds like a bad switch.
Are you sure there is no voltage at the starter when energizing it from the switch? There is a common problem (hot start problem) where some folks install an additional relay for the solenoid. This adds a little boost for the starter solenoid to operate. O.K. not a boost but less of a power drop on the starter circuit.
por73914
May 31 2007, 11:15 AM
QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ May 31 2007, 12:10 PM)

QUOTE(por73914 @ May 31 2007, 08:37 AM)

QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ May 31 2007, 11:25 AM)

This was a little confusing to me also. My first thought is the seat belt relay under the passenger seat may be a problem. The 2 large yellow wires (with or without red stripes) can be connected together to bypass the relay.
I did conect the Yellow\Red to the Yellow and it worked...one time now there is no power from the switch.
Sounds like a bad switch.
Are you sure there is no voltage at the starter when energizing it from the switch? There is a common problem (hot start problem) where some folks install an additional relay for the solenoid. This adds a little boost for the starter solenoid to operate. O.K. not a boost but less of a power drop on the starter circuit.
100% sure that there is no power at the starter, tonight I am going to get under the dash and check the switch... in the diagram it shows the yellow\red strippe going to the seat belts, could that be an issue?
Thanks
Paul
pin31
May 31 2007, 11:15 AM
It sounds like the ignition switch. Its a little plastic switch at the end of the key/cylinder assembly in the steering column. I replaced mine, they do easily crack with age. Pelican Parts $7.50
111-905-865K-M61 Ignition Switch, Electrical Portion, 914 1.7/2.0 (1972-74), Each
Dr914's 700 tips book has a good step-by-step procedure on how to replace (need to remove the steering wheel & cylinder assembly etc..)
You should also bypass seatbelt relay (which it sounds like you did - good).
I'm suprised that the relay board is bad, I would remove the T14 & T12 connectors along with the relays and give all the contacts a good cleaning with electrical contact cleaner.
hope this helps,
Tim
pin31
May 31 2007, 11:16 AM
It sounds like the ignition switch. Its a little plastic switch at the end of the key/cylinder assembly in the steering column. I replaced mine, they do easily crack with age. Pelican Parts $7.50
111-905-865K-M61 Ignition Switch, Electrical Portion, 914 1.7/2.0 (1972-74), Each
Dr914's 700 tips book has a good step-by-step procedure on how to replace (need to remove the steering wheel & cylinder assembly etc..)
You should also bypass seatbelt relay (which it sounds like you did - good).
I'm suprised that the relay board is bad, I would remove the T14 & T12 connectors along with the relays and give all the contacts a good cleaning with electrical contact cleaner.
hope this helps,
Tim
por73914
May 31 2007, 11:23 AM
QUOTE(pin31 @ May 31 2007, 12:16 PM)

It sounds like the ignition switch. Its a little plastic switch at the end of the key/cylinder assembly in the steering column. I replaced mine, they do easily crack with age. Pelican Parts $7.50
111-905-865K-M61 Ignition Switch, Electrical Portion, 914 1.7/2.0 (1972-74), Each
Dr914's 700 tips book has a good step-by-step procedure on how to replace (need to remove the steering wheel & cylinder assembly etc..)
You should also bypass seatbelt relay (which it sounds like you did - good).
I'm suprised that the relay board is bad, I would remove the T14 & T12 connectors along with the relays and give all the contacts a good cleaning with electrical contact cleaner.
hope this helps,
Tim
I will be checking this also, it is amazing the amount of information one can get from a bunch of strangers! This place is great. Thanks a million.
John
Jun 1 2007, 02:56 PM
Be CERTAIN that both battery clamps and posts are clean, tight and are conducting electricity. I recently saw a case where a positive battery clamp was giving all sorts of fits. Sometimes it would click, sometimes nothing. After changing switches and starters, it was found that it was a bad connection at the battery.
Might as well start there as it is an inexpensive thing to check.
Good luck with it.
BxtrBill
Jun 1 2007, 10:00 PM
Unless I'm missing something obvious (always a possibility), it sounds like you're concentrating on the relay board in the engine compartment. Since you have a 74, I'd remove the passenger seat and look for two fat YELLOWWWW (had to:) wires at the seat belt relay terminal strip. Jump those together if someone hasn't beat you to it, and try again. The starter signal from the keyswitch has to make it through the seatbelt relay junk before it gets to the relay board.
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