fiid
Jan 3 2004, 12:59 AM
This evening I bolted the dummy transmission to the subaru motor.
Please excuse the mess in my garage.
Here is an aft view.
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:00 AM
Side view.
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:01 AM
Count the Cam Shafts!!!
(note the smaller alien on top :-) )
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:01 AM
Doh!
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:02 AM
Now here's the problem. The starter motor relay solenoid thingo interferes with one of the turbos.......
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:03 AM
Doh again.
ChrisReale
Jan 3 2004, 01:03 AM
Cool.. When am I coming over so we can stand around it and gape like landed fish?
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:05 AM
Anyone have a suggestion on how to get around the starter motor problem??
Watts has suggested that I can get the intercooler in by flipping the baby alien (intake runner thingo) around and mounting it at the front of the engine, so I'm not so worried about that.
l8r all,
Fiid.
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:06 AM
Anytime you like!. Dude - where did you get that tach? Is it a 4 banger tach?
Fiid.
ChrisReale
Jan 3 2004, 01:07 AM
930 tach, going to be a 4 banger with fuel gauge....
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 01:15 AM
Gear reduction starter (189.00) will clear fine.
Next problem.
Man.. that looks AWESOME.
B
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:18 AM
Where do I get one?
Doesn't it look great? My main worry was weather the turbos were going to clear the driveshafts, but we are clear. It's like the engine was designed for it. Oh wait... it was.
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 01:20 AM
The exhaust is going to be really easy and a COMPLETE sleeper..LOL
Pick up a copy of HotVw's and look in there for a gear reduction starter.
B
BIGKAT_83
Jan 3 2004, 01:21 AM
The IMI HI TORQ starters can be indexed to different posistions
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 01:24 AM
I lied. 159.00 Specify BUS tranny when calling.
888-997-9894 Kustom 1 Warehouse in Orange Ca. On Collins ave.
And the pic above my post is the EXACT starter Kustom has listed and a pic of.
The owner of IMI knows me well...
B
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:29 AM
Hmmm... apparently there is a chevy part that will fit....
http://www.pors-chev.com/pipermail/pors-ch...ber/002033.htmlIMI101? Sound familiar - might be able to get one at the gotelli speed shop in South San Fran.
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:30 AM
Sometimes - I should just shut up.
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:31 AM
> If any of you are looking for a small body gear reduction
> > starter for your SBC they are as close as your local AutoZone! Ask for a
> > 1996 Camero 5.7 starter. They retail for $119. Worked perfect for me!
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 01:32 AM
I agree
B
BIGKAT_83
Jan 3 2004, 01:35 AM
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Jan 2 2004, 11:24 PM)
I lied. 159.00 Specify BUS tranny when calling.
888-997-9894 Kustom 1 Warehouse in Orange Ca. On Collins ave.
B
Brad what is the difference for the Bus transmission starter? Does it have a longer shaft ?
Bob
Andyrew
Jan 3 2004, 01:37 AM
Kewl!
What have you done for it to bolt to the trani?
Andrew
Andyrew
Jan 3 2004, 01:38 AM
Oh the starter, could you flip the starter? Would that work?
Andrew
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 01:39 AM
I just know the tranny depth is correct and that the bus runs a type4 flywheel.
All buses came with the same Bosch SR17X starter that the 914 came with.
B
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 01:44 AM
Nah - can't flip it. Then it hits the gearbox.
The tranny is mounted using a Kennedy Engineering adaptor plate, and flywheel.
I can't find the starter on Kustom 1's website - do I need to call for it???
Andyrew
Jan 3 2004, 01:49 AM
How much was the adapter plate? Or could you do a list of all the things you bought and pricing? (if you want to tell me that is..)
Thanks
Andrew
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 01:52 AM
Just call them Fiid (which is why it I took the time to look it up for you)
B
TimT
Jan 3 2004, 08:30 AM
Do any of these hi torque starters fit a 911? I need one but am not looking forward to buying a tilton
nebreitling
Jan 3 2004, 10:15 AM
fiid, that is simply too cool.
i want one
rick 918-S
Jan 3 2004, 10:33 AM
QUOTE(fiid @ Jan 2 2004, 11:29 PM)
Hmmm... apparently there is a chevy part that will fit....
http://www.pors-chev.com/pipermail/pors-ch...ber/002033.htmlIMI101? Sound familiar - might be able to get one at the gotelli speed shop in South San Fran.
I read the text on the link to the pors-chev. does the 1996 chevrolet starter rotate the correct way? I know the VW Bus starter will work. I was just curious about the chevy one mentioned. The guy that posted the message stated it worked for him, but he didn't say what he installed it in. If it works the price is great and it's gear reduction. (add core charge)
BTW it probably won't clear your turbo, you'll still need the one from Kustom 1.
soloracer
Jan 3 2004, 10:47 AM
With the starter so close to a potentially red hot turbo is there a concern that it will get heat damaged? If so what can be done to protect the starter? Heat sheild? Wrap it in heat resistant cloth?
Andyrew
Jan 3 2004, 10:58 AM
Header wrap the starter?
BIGKAT_83
Jan 3 2004, 11:08 AM
QUOTE(rich 918-S @ Jan 3 2004, 08:33 AM)
QUOTE(fiid @ Jan 2 2004, 11:29 PM)
Hmmm... apparently there is a chevy part that will fit....
http://www.pors-chev.com/pipermail/pors-ch...ber/002033.htmlIMI101? Sound familiar - might be able to get one at the gotelli speed shop in South San Fran.
I read the text on the link to the pors-chev. does the 1996 chevrolet starter rotate the correct way? I know the VW Bus starter will work. I was just curious about the chevy one mentioned. The guy that posted the message stated it worked for him, but he didn't say what he installed it in. If it works the price is great and it's gear reduction. (add core charge)
BTW it probably won't clear your turbo, you'll still need the one from Kustom 1.
Don't think you will find any chevy starter to work on a 901/915/930 gearbox. The guy that posted about the chevy starter in the thread has a 944 V8 conversion which does take a chevy starter and flywheel, bellhousing.
TravisNeff
Jan 3 2004, 01:59 PM
I agree with the possilbe heat soak issue with the LH turbo.
Could you flip the direction of the exhaust headers - so the turbos are on te front? probably would be a mess with snaking the exhaust back around, but mabye not??
Or even flipping the drivers side only and have the exhaust then snake around the front (or below) the engine and down the passenger side - to then do a 2-1 off the passenger turbo?
The Air to water IC is good! looks like an early 90's legacy/liberty JDM engine? The Air to water I/Cs were also on the 2.2 turbo legacy for the US market 91-93?
John2kx
Jan 3 2004, 02:21 PM
Fiid,
I'll attach a few pics of a IMI starter mounted to my 901. Might be of some use in determining clearance.
Bob,
Are you limited to flipping only 180 degrees?
John2kx
Jan 3 2004, 02:21 PM
addf
John2kx
Jan 3 2004, 02:47 PM
I remembered having to change my starter out last year and found this pic. Starter on left is a 101 and the markings are clear. The one on right was the replacement sent to me after supplier thought maybe my compression was a little too high or with such a new motor, I needed more power. Can't make the numbers out on this one and I don't have the paperwork (sorry). I'm sure Brad can identify these.
BTW, the original starter was tested and found to be bad. It worked fine for about 4 months and then ended up not turning my motor after it got hot.
John
John2kx
Jan 3 2004, 02:49 PM
Forgot to add the purpose of last pic. The unit on left has a smaller motor attached as compared to replacement.
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 05:52 PM
The IMI on the right appears to have 4 different "clocking" positions. You can see the different bolt holes for the motor on the face plate.
It will need a heat shield.. but I wouldnt be too concerned about this.
B
fiid
Jan 3 2004, 06:48 PM
So I can dial it around until the two bodies are vertical?? I think that would be the only way.
I'll call and order it Monday, unless they are open tomorrow.
Fiid.
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 06:55 PM
That is what I am gathering from the pic.
B
SirAndy
Jan 3 2004, 07:58 PM
QUOTE(fiid @ Jan 2 2004, 11:05 PM)
Anyone have a suggestion on how to get around the starter motor problem??
the high-torque starter i had (and brad sold
) was smaller and had a different shape.
lighter -> smaller -> better
get one!
Andy
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 08:22 PM
But the solenoid was in the same place as stock and you couldnt change the clocking.
Most of the places stopped selling that starter.
B
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 08:24 PM
Oh.. and I would imagine you would have to modify the trunk floor. I know when we rais the engine and trans in a race car.. the stock starter solenoid will hit the trunk floor. Rotate this one up and I would imagine the same thing happening.
B
John2kx
Jan 3 2004, 08:39 PM
I was thinking the same thing Brad......about having to take a chunk out of the trunk floor after seeing all the stuff on top of his engine.
Just looking at the side pic of your engine (without a ruler) I'd guess a 2' x 2' opening will have to be made where my distributor opening is.
John
John2kx
Jan 3 2004, 08:41 PM
Fiid,
This might shine a little more light on the subject.
Brad Roberts
Jan 3 2004, 08:43 PM
We can actaully move his engine forward several inches if need be. RH moves them back.. no reason we cant go forward (I had planned to do this with another friend doing a Scuby conversion).
B
John2kx
Jan 4 2004, 06:46 AM
I didn't think about that B. Since my drivetrain is moved back 1-3/4" (with v8), you will be able to move forward ~ 3" from my location.
John
Brad Roberts
Jan 4 2004, 11:53 AM
I try not to think.. but sometimes it gets in my way and I have to do it...LOL
Lots of people love your car John. It really paints a nice picture for those thinking of doing a V8 conversion. It is so rare to see one done NICE.. easy on the eyes and a pleasure to look at all the pics.
Sooner or later we will have the gallery software up and running. I have failed to make it run on my W2K machine, but it should work just fine on the Linux box. Hang in there.
B
redshift
Jan 4 2004, 11:54 AM
I see John's car, and I stop wondering why everyone moved the hell out of my way when I went home for Christmas..
M
-Augusta Boy-
fiid
Jan 4 2004, 05:22 PM
Mo Engine Pics. Lat night I pulled the intake manifold off. Getting this thing going is going to be a bastard. There are an ungodly amount of tubes, sensors, etc.
This is the (air to air) intercooler.
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