drew365
Apr 3 2008, 11:19 AM
plymouth37
Apr 3 2008, 12:36 PM
Just goes to show you that FIAT's are dangerous and should therefore never be driven.
Cap'n Krusty
Apr 3 2008, 12:47 PM
WTF is a 1967 FIAT "BTM"?
http://jalopnik.com/375572/so-whats-up-wit...s-1967-fiat-btmMaybe they meant "BEATER" ............................ The Cap'n
PeeGreen 914
Apr 3 2008, 01:02 PM
Anyone notice that because it was a mechanical malfuction no summonses were issued? I'm glad he is okay, but if this were Joe nobody do you think he would have been fined?
Hammy
Apr 3 2008, 01:08 PM
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Apr 3 2008, 11:47 AM)
WTF is a 1967 FIAT "BTM"?
http://jalopnik.com/375572/so-whats-up-wit...s-1967-fiat-btmMaybe they meant "BEATER" ............................ The Cap'n
Was wonderin' that myself.....hah.
Cap'n Krusty
Apr 3 2008, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(Phoenix 914-6GT @ Apr 3 2008, 12:02 PM)
Anyone notice that because it was a mechanical malfunction no summonses were issued? I'm glad he is okay, but if this were Joe nobody do you think he would have been fined?
Probably not, but there'd be a bit of a delay before they determined the cause, so a ticket "could" still arrive in the mail. Beyond that, you think the guy that worked on the brakes still has a job? One phone call, and ...........................
The Cap'n
davep
Apr 3 2008, 02:49 PM
Good thing it wasn't 911 #1; AKA 300049
ericread
Apr 3 2008, 02:59 PM
The brakes went out???
Give me a break. Both the primary and emergency brakes magically stopped working? No notice of brake fade, not tell-tale signs of trouble, just a catastrophic failure?
Every time a "star" hits a tree, the "Brakes went out!!!".
Could it be he was overdriving for the car and the conditions?
Don't get me wrong, I like Seinfeld. I think he's a funny guy and he has always been a strong Porsche supporter. But with his Porsche seat time, I have a hard time believing he experienced a catastrophic failure of a primary saafety system with no earlier indications of a problem.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just a bit dubious.
Root_Werks
Apr 3 2008, 03:04 PM
"Italian trash" - C.S.
brer
Apr 3 2008, 03:05 PM
if you pop a rear wheel cylinder in a "early" drum brake car you will also lose your parking brake capabilities. Ask me how I know.
ericread
Apr 3 2008, 03:20 PM
QUOTE(brer @ Apr 3 2008, 02:05 PM)
if you pop a rear wheel cylinder in a "early" drum brake car you will also lose your parking brake capabilities. Ask me how I know.
I understand that such an event could happen, but wouldn't you know it was more than a "brake failure"? I assume that popping a rear wheel cylinder isn't a common ocurrance. But there I go, asumin again...
Cap'n Krusty
Apr 3 2008, 03:39 PM
Could this be an in-your-face example of one of the "features" of SS braided Teflon brake lines ............................................... ? Well, Jerry, we're waiting .......
The Cap'n
brer
Apr 3 2008, 03:39 PM
in my case the wheel cylinder piston extended too far and fell out of the cylinder under hard braking. Complete and instantaneous brake failure with no warning sign other that the pedal had more travel than usual. Alot more travel.
ericread
Apr 3 2008, 03:51 PM
QUOTE(brer @ Apr 3 2008, 02:39 PM)
in my case the wheel cylinder piston extended too far and fell out of the cylinder under hard braking. Complete and instantaneous brake failure with no warning sign other that the pedal had more travel than usual. Alot more travel.
So I would imagine you left some impressive skid marks...
brer
Apr 3 2008, 04:05 PM
yes, but not on the road.
minndodger
Apr 3 2008, 04:16 PM
QUOTE(brer @ Apr 3 2008, 05:05 PM)
yes, but not on the road.
That's funny.
SirAndy
Apr 3 2008, 04:27 PM
QUOTE(ericread @ Apr 3 2008, 12:59 PM)
The brakes went out???
Give me a break. Both the primary and emergency brakes magically stopped working? No notice of brake fade, not tell-tale signs of trouble, just a catastrophic failure?
happened to me in the 914!
a few years back when i was driving over the bay bridge to SF to work.
some guy cut me off and i had to hit the brakes hard. i got a loud "bang" and the pedal went to the floor. no brakes what-so-ever ...
luckily, the 914 handbrakes are separate from the fluid circuit, so i used the handbrake to make it through commute traffic over the bridge.
Andy
hydroliftin
Apr 3 2008, 04:34 PM
On the New York Times’s Wheels blog, there was speculation that the car might really be a hardtop Fiat Dino that was called a “BTM” to indicate that it was designed by Bertone —who was based in Turin, Italy — and had en engine by Ferrari, which is based in Marinello.
914-8
Apr 3 2008, 04:41 PM
At least it wasn't an X1/9.
God kills a kitten every time an X1/9 is taken off the road.
ConeDodger
Apr 3 2008, 05:57 PM
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Apr 3 2008, 01:43 PM)
QUOTE(Phoenix 914-6GT @ Apr 3 2008, 12:02 PM)
Anyone notice that because it was a mechanical malfunction no summonses were issued? I'm glad he is okay, but if this were Joe nobody do you think he would have been fined?
Probably not, but there'd be a bit of a delay before they determined the cause, so a ticket "could" still arrive in the mail. Beyond that, you think the guy that worked on the brakes still has a job? One phone call, and ...........................
The Cap'n
Soup Line For You!!! (in best soup nazi voice)
ConeDodger
Apr 3 2008, 06:02 PM
QUOTE(914-8 @ Apr 3 2008, 03:41 PM)
At least it wasn't an X1/9.
God kills a kitten every time an X1/9 is taken off the road.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if what you say is true, it is another reason to spay and neuter cats...
I think I have a photograph somewhere of an X1/9 with its cute little nose poked into a pond. A little autocross excursion that wasn't designed into the course...
Just my opinion again but if you ask me the only good thing to come out of a Fiat is the Dellortos... I got mine!
SirAndy
Apr 3 2008, 06:12 PM
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Apr 3 2008, 04:02 PM)
if you ask me the only good thing to come out of a Fiat is the Dellortos...
apparently, you've never driven a 500 ...
Andy
ConeDodger
Apr 3 2008, 06:22 PM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 3 2008, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Apr 3 2008, 04:02 PM)
if you ask me the only good thing to come out of a Fiat is the Dellortos...
apparently, you've never driven a 500 ...
Andy
No you are right about that but you guys from Europe had a different experience with Fiat than we did here.
They sent us
CRAP!!!
carr914
Apr 3 2008, 06:43 PM
QUOTE(914-8 @ Apr 3 2008, 06:41 PM)
At least it wasn't an X1/9.
God kills a kitten every time an X1/9 is taken off the road.
I think you have it backwords. Everytime an X1-9 is taken off the road, GOD shouts "Hooray, I didn't creat that POS"
davep
Apr 3 2008, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Apr 3 2008, 04:02 PM)
Just my opinion again but if you ask me the only good thing to come out of a Fiat is the Dellortos... I got mine!
The 914/6 GT door handles come from a Fiat.
The X1/9 makes the 914 look good.
euro911
Apr 3 2008, 07:06 PM
QUOTE(davep @ Apr 3 2008, 12:49 PM)
Good thing it wasn't 911 #1; AKA 300049
or 300189 either ...
STL914
Apr 4 2008, 12:01 PM
QUOTE(brer @ Apr 3 2008, 01:05 PM)
if you pop a rear wheel cylinder in a "early" drum brake car you will also lose your parking brake capabilities. Ask me how I know.
That exact thing happened to my son years ago in his Honda Prelude. On his way home from work, coming down a winding hill near our house, he lost his brakes due to the rear cylinder failure. Lucky there was a large oak tree to stop him and the car as he tried to turn right, up the street to the house. Car totaled, tree scratched, son unhurt but totally pissed!
brer
Apr 7 2008, 01:27 PM
hcdmueller
Apr 7 2008, 02:50 PM
Italian crap or not for some reason I still want one of these. Its not a Dino but it is interesting. Although, I don't think a Multipla goes fast enough to worry about brake failure.
KaptKaos
Apr 7 2008, 07:03 PM
Multiplas rock!
That is all.
So.Cal.914
Apr 7 2008, 11:34 PM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 3 2008, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Apr 3 2008, 04:02 PM)
if you ask me the only good thing to come out of a Fiat is the Dellortos...
apparently, you've never driven a 500 ...
Andy
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stephenaki
Apr 8 2008, 12:54 AM
QUOTE(carr914 @ Apr 3 2008, 04:43 PM)
QUOTE(914-8 @ Apr 3 2008, 06:41 PM)
At least it wasn't an X1/9.
God kills a kitten every time an X1/9 is taken off the road.
I think you have it backwords. Everytime an X1-9 is taken off the road, GOD shouts "Hooray, I didn't creat that POS"
Almost picked up an X 1/9 as a project car back in Tennessee. I personally like the design of the car but I beleive that the safety requirements levied against the car to import into the US was one of the factors that made it unremarkable in power and overall performance.
Also understand that the X1/9 body is a rust magnet. Still might get one later on as a project car.
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bigkensteele
Apr 8 2008, 01:30 AM
Am I the only one who would have downshifted to first and let the engine slow me down? I realize that would toast the motor, but would it work to bring the car to a manageable speed, or would it just creat an uncontrollable skid/spin?
ConeDodger
Apr 8 2008, 01:51 AM
QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Apr 8 2008, 12:30 AM)
Am I the only one who would have downshifted to first and let the engine slow me down? I realize that would toast the motor, but would it work to bring the car to a manageable speed, or would it just creat an uncontrollable skid/spin?
It's a Fiat Ken. Sometimes you have to sacrafice the body to do what is right for the team. Jerry is a Porsche guy. He didn't downshift because he needed the speed to assure maximum damage...
mightyohm
Apr 8 2008, 03:31 AM
pssst, Fiat 500... engine is in the BACK.
So.Cal.914
Apr 8 2008, 05:33 PM
It is in this one...3.6 I think.
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So.Cal.914
Apr 8 2008, 11:39 PM
scotty b
Apr 9 2008, 08:46 PM
Well I did my part for mankind. One X-19 and 1 kitten. Good riddance
brer
Apr 10 2008, 11:29 AM
actually, thats kind of bitchin without the window pillars.
auerbach
Apr 10 2008, 11:53 AM
KaptKaos
Apr 10 2008, 01:30 PM
QUOTE(auerbach @ Apr 10 2008, 09:53 AM)
That would be a bummer.
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