So at our AX today Troy "Messix" was running his anti-sway barless car and I got a few good pictures.

First we must take a look at the festive shirt he is wearing

No wait... it gets better

With all things considered he was only 10.5 seconds off top time. Not bad for a wollowy stock 914.

For no sway bars, looks like he was putting his 914 through it's pace pretty well. Nice pics!

Eric Read

Right about here I would be thinking "please slide, please slide, please slide!"



Cool pics!

HAHA! Looks familiar! This is me last year!
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I was also off top time by about 10 seconds. This problem will, hopefully, be resolved this month before the Shoot-out! Good Shots!
Mark D.

I was actually thinking more "Please don't flip."

Heh, go watch some VW water-pumpers AX sometime. Those things lift the back wheel off the ground like a dog at a hydrant!

10.5 off of what, ttod? with a relatively unmodified car, he should have been placed in stock. the classing system just sucks.

He was in the stock class. I'm just saying that he did well. He had a 57 and change while the top time of the day was a 47.043.

Here is a video of my car before I purchased it at a AX in TN. I love the sway as it heads back at the camera.

http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x61/967...3914AutoXTN.flv

Don't look now but when he gets a sway bar and figures out the new line a lot of you guys are going to get sent to the back of the line! 10 seconds off TTOD with a car that isn't set up is phenomenal... Way to go...

Now jack it the Fuch up and put on that sway bar!!!

This is with a STOCK sway bar...

Is that with only a stock front? Or front and rear?

Very good question. I'm interested to know myself! As much as I love making time, am I the only one that thinks the roll is just a little bit cute?.. Kinda like a girl with braces!
Mark D.

I once saw a guy at the autox with a 1993 civic the was completely stock but with HUGE sticky hoosiers. I really thought that car was gonna flip.

The picture above is a stock front and rear sway bar. Debate over whether a rear bar is needed or beneficial has gone on almost as long as the cars have been in existence. I consider it a matter of driver preference. I prefer it. I would probably unhook it on a track though as the higher speeds might lead to the rear coming around. I am going to the Tarret Bar soon. I will have a stocker to sell!!!

When I was debating the removal of the rear bar I did two runs with it and took it off for the other two runs. The car felt much better without it. However, my suspension is very stiff and I think it was being counter productive with the bar on. Now I have a TB diff and really don't want a rear bar on.

The Tarret bar looks very nice. I will update my heavy weltmeister to a Tarret someday. I already have the drop links and they are nice

jetboy, if you're refering to troy's car (messix), the one with the lean, it runs no bars f or r, stock 1.8 l-jet(i think), no trick suspension bits, street tires,...up here you're stock, or gtu, or gto. a 914 with 2.0 fi (4 cyl) engined car with webers gets thrown in with 6s up 2.4, big pumped up 2270s, flares, 911s, lightened up cars, basicly tricked out. i imagine troy had the quickest run time in stock. from the rules i've noted in other regions, the playing field is much different. nice working it troy.

There's also the P (prepaired) group Kevin. A stock 2.0 with minor suspension mods and slick shoes can run in P. If you do more than you are stuck with me in GTU or Eric in GTO or Leeds in Mod. Troy can do a few things still and stay in the S class.

i didn't know about the P grouping. is it new? i suck at axing anyway. no need to further embarrass myself.

I don't think it's new but I have only been autocrossing for five years. I know nothing of what they had before. Seems as if they are always changing something in the rules.

At least in PCA the 914s have fair classes. SCCA seems to like to do whatever it takes to screw us 914 guys. Why the hell am I in FP? My little 130hp car is in the same class as a 300hp miata?

Holy shmit rocky!!! Where did a Miata get 300 HP??? That would put it in supercar class with its light weight! Supercharger? Turbocharger?

Right here in Grand Junction probably..... Flyin Miata

...I have been thinking Ferg needs to bring his little down here.

Yeah, it is supercharged and it pisses me off. My car isn't built to my class though. I have been building it to PCA GTU specs but when I'm done I may shoot for SCCA. It's not always about the car anyways I need more seat time

not that day... i came in 2nd



out of 2 cars in s1

but the car/ the driver that beat me was -3sec from me and is a teeny bopper in a 944 that comes from racing shifter carts. good nice kid from a P-car family{nephew of Fordahls, must have some genetic advantage} and a very good driver.

Sorry, my quote didnt add the pic (fixed). I was refering to conedodgers post about stock sways.

If you're talkin' about Mr. Brown, he's in SCCA D Mod or XP depending on his weight.

As for you......RTFRB and build accordingly. Your local classing is just that, local.
At Parade (PCA National rules), you'd be in Mod 2, I think . We run "small region" PCA rules here in Portland....you'd be in Mod.

Neither sanctioning body cares about your HP, just your engine size and if it came in there or not. If you wanna show up with a knife for a gunfight, have at it.

I run SCCA E Mod......under powered, over weight, under tired...pretty well developed, tho.

My car will never beat your car Well, at least in theory. I always like co-driving with someone. Then you know your playing with the same weapon.