i just recieved a "warning" from the university (i live in uni-owned grad housing) because i was caught... get this.... WASHING MY CAR. well, SHIT....
Apparently, it is now ILLEGAL to wash your own car in Palo Alto, under the assumption that trace amounts of oil and heavy metals will be carried into drains and gutters, and on into the bay. Palo Alto Sewer Ordinance 16.09.106
i bet i'm the only stanford phd who came in a liberal, and will come out a conservative.
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Welcome.
M
M
Welcome indeed! You are in good company. If you ever make it up to Portland look me up. I'd be happy to buy you ein Bier. 
Mike
Mike
not much i hear about the People's Republik of Kalifornia surprises me any more; this doesn't ...
not to worry - next year, it will be illegal to drive your car, and the year after that, to own one. (might be used as a weapon, ya know. do it for the kids.)
not to worry - next year, it will be illegal to drive your car, and the year after that, to own one. (might be used as a weapon, ya know. do it for the kids.)
Why not take it to an actual car wash or one of those places where you can wash it yourself?
You have the right to be annoyed, but I think it's a good law.
You have the right to be annoyed, but I think it's a good law.
Anecdotal evidence got you thinking again... someone without a job thought up a new statistic.
Global warming is cause by cigarettes, the flame of the lighters, and the smoke obscures the sun.
M
I hope that last statement was a joke. It sounds like you haven't the slightest how grave a problem it is.
I guess it doesn't matter for you, you'll be dead before the real bad stuff happens. But your kids, and grandkids, and their kids won't.
I guess it doesn't matter for you, you'll be dead before the real bad stuff happens. But your kids, and grandkids, and their kids won't.
must be alot of dirty cars in palo alto. i take it there is 0 crime on campus.
kevin
kevin
QUOTE(nebreitling @ Jan 29 2004, 06:42 PM)
well, SHIT.... i bet i'm the only stanford phd who came in a liberal, and will come out a conservative.
Welcome to my world. Too bad about your car. Next they'll tell you not to take a f'in shower...
Pat
I wouldn't have kids in this world, if the government paid me with money ripped from the hands of people with measley jobs..... wait.. 
I was joking, I also left out the part about second-hand smoke affecting non-smokers more than smokers, I guess much in the same way that people witnessing a tragic death, are affected by it, more than the person who was killed..
He's dead, Jim.
I refuse to be indoctrinated.
M
I was joking, I also left out the part about second-hand smoke affecting non-smokers more than smokers, I guess much in the same way that people witnessing a tragic death, are affected by it, more than the person who was killed..
He's dead, Jim.
I refuse to be indoctrinated.
M
Haha, you make the liberal left sound like a cult.
You do too!
M
Hahah!
As of Jan. 1 it is illegal to wash your car in your driveway in Las Vegas. You can still go to a commercial car wash. This law has also created a new booming business. There are guys with the proper permits that have spray tanks on trailers that will come to your house and wash it for you.
Now if I want to build a swimming pool, that is OK.
Now if I want to build a swimming pool, that is OK.
Us red necks can wash whatever we want when we want. We just don't want too. :finger2: Trucks are supposed to be dirty, Smoking vehicles kill more mosquitos
We have a saying around here, but I don't remember it, the CLFA content in the food chain has taken it's toll on my short term ummm.... umm...
Oh yeah... merry go round.... how we used to love to ride that thing.
M
Oh yeah... merry go round.... how we used to love to ride that thing.
M
OK, I don't get it. Don't they have water treatment plants in CA? I live in NorthWest Indiana by Lake Michigan, we have 5 major steel mills and get this....
Water treatment plants
Doesn't the sewer water get "treated / filtered"
before it heads out to the bay?? What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
- Garold
Water treatment plants
Doesn't the sewer water get "treated / filtered"
before it heads out to the bay?? What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
- Garold
Did you see Palo Alto Sewer Ordinance 16.09.105?
It is illegal for it to rain in Palo Alto, under the assumption that trace amounts of oil and heavy metals will be carried into drains and gutters, and on into the bay.
It is illegal for it to rain in Palo Alto, under the assumption that trace amounts of oil and heavy metals will be carried into drains and gutters, and on into the bay.
The human body is one of the best filters EVER created!
It can take the piss out of Budweiser.
Anything up a hill, is going to go down the hill, whether it does it today, tomorrow, or 50 years from now. The oils, and heavy metals on that car came from down the hill, and back they'll go... whether you wash it off, or it falls off, and washes there itself.
People should not use detergents on car finishes... make that a law, make it a law that you can only use sea water... deep sea water... AT SEA! No smoking, don't eat a hamburger!~
M
It can take the piss out of Budweiser.
Anything up a hill, is going to go down the hill, whether it does it today, tomorrow, or 50 years from now. The oils, and heavy metals on that car came from down the hill, and back they'll go... whether you wash it off, or it falls off, and washes there itself.
People should not use detergents on car finishes... make that a law, make it a law that you can only use sea water... deep sea water... AT SEA! No smoking, don't eat a hamburger!~
M
Welcome to the practical world.
With water restrictions here at the moment you can't wash your car using a garden hose, but you can wash using a watering can and use twice as much water as with a garden hose!! Work that out.
back in the day.... before hoses were invented, we used to make a spit brigade... from the sink, to the car, only to subvert the local ordinances.. about washing our cars.
I loved being on the sink end.
"Washing THIS car, Officer? Why? No, I was spitting on it!"
M
I loved being on the sink end.
"Washing THIS car, Officer? Why? No, I was spitting on it!"
M
QUOTE(Mockmaw @ Jan 29 2004, 07:07 PM)
I hope that last statement was a joke. It sounds like you haven't the slightest how grave a problem it is.
I guess it doesn't matter for you, you'll be dead before the real bad stuff happens. But your kids, and grandkids, and their kids won't.
I guess it doesn't matter for you, you'll be dead before the real bad stuff happens. But your kids, and grandkids, and their kids won't.
The current real problem is more like the enormous amount of fuel burned with no catalytic converters or emissions control by the airline industry.
Washing your car (or not) is far down the list of things we ought to be worried about environmentally, quite frankly.
QUOTE(itsa914 @ Jan 29 2004, 08:31 PM)
OK, I don't get it. Don't they have water treatment plants in CA? I live in NorthWest Indiana by Lake Michigan, we have 5 major steel mills and get this....
Water treatment plants
Doesn't the sewer water get "treated / filtered"
before it heads out to the bay?? What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
- Garold
Water treatment plants
Doesn't the sewer water get "treated / filtered"
before it heads out to the bay?? What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
- Garold
I think in CA, all runoff water goes straight to the bay. I belive sewage gets treated.
CA is WAY behind on infrastructure like this - the roads here are pretty crappy and sparse. Our power system - you will have heard about. I believe since we are a big state, with a lot of environmental and social progression we don't have the money to invest in infrastructure upgrades, plus the organisational culture here is very much "focus on what you can change easily and ignore the rest", which I believe is responsible for the fact that the government here is even less efficient than everywhere else. We have the second highest income tax rate in the country after NY, don't we??
Still - personally - I love taxation without representation. It's my favorite meal of the day.
[quote=fiid,Jan 29 2004, 10:30 PM]
- Garold [/QUOTE]
I think in CA, all runoff water goes straight to the bay. I belive sewage gets treated.
[/quote]
Most areas have the runoff going to streams, rivers, lakes & oceans however, there is a push in some areas to have it diverted to the wastewater treatment plants. This is going to take a long time to accomplish. As for the car wash ban due to what comes off the body of the car, that's pretty minimal compared to what is already on the streets. I've also seen a lot of idiots dumping their changed motor oil into the storm drains.
I guess the City has got to start somewhere. I think it's the wrong "somewhere" tho. "Bandaid"
.......b
- Garold [/QUOTE]
I think in CA, all runoff water goes straight to the bay. I belive sewage gets treated.
[/quote]
Most areas have the runoff going to streams, rivers, lakes & oceans however, there is a push in some areas to have it diverted to the wastewater treatment plants. This is going to take a long time to accomplish. As for the car wash ban due to what comes off the body of the car, that's pretty minimal compared to what is already on the streets. I've also seen a lot of idiots dumping their changed motor oil into the storm drains.
I guess the City has got to start somewhere. I think it's the wrong "somewhere" tho. "Bandaid"
.......b
Well, having lived in both NY and Cali, I think I got more money for my tax dollar in NY. There were lots of state parks everywhere, they were well maintained. The State owned and operated the largest wildlife and forever wild area in the United States (Except Alaska).
QUOTE(James Adams @ Jan 29 2004, 08:46 PM)
Did you see Palo Alto Sewer Ordinance 16.09.105?
It is illegal for it to rain in Palo Alto, under the assumption that trace amounts of oil and heavy metals will be carried into drains and gutters, and on into the bay.
It is illegal for it to rain in Palo Alto, under the assumption that trace amounts of oil and heavy metals will be carried into drains and gutters, and on into the bay.
Who pays the fine when it rains?
it is for silly rules and regs like these that when i build my next house, it will have a 4 car garage with perimeter drains all around and a hose bib at every stall. with hot AND cold water. gonna wash my damn car inside and never tell a soul!!!!
'hey marge, why is that boys car always so gol' dern clean?'
'it's a mystery. just a mystery.'
'hey marge, why is that boys car always so gol' dern clean?'
'it's a mystery. just a mystery.'
QUOTE(itsa914 @ Jan 29 2004, 08:31 PM)
OK, I don't get it. Don't they have water treatment plants in CA? I live in NorthWest Indiana by Lake Michigan, we have 5 major steel mills and get this....
Water treatment plants
Doesn't the sewer water get "treated / filtered"
before it heads out to the bay?? What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
- Garold
Water treatment plants
Doesn't the sewer water get "treated / filtered"
before it heads out to the bay?? What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
- Garold
We have water treatment plants for waste water from homes, factories etc.........but the crap on the streets gets washed down "storm drains" that drain direct to the ocean. So.....the point is, anything dumped in the storm drains, oil, dirt, pesticides, human waste....goes into the streams or storm drains....right offshore the fecal coliform levels quadruple after a rain.....makes surfing interesting.....
That is a 100% total BULLSHIT law! I'd write letters to my congressman and call him a pussy for allowing something that totally retarded to pass!
Oh, I hope you can write Spanish, cause he may not be able to read/write English!
The "HEY STOOPID" signs that are posted on the bridges and storm drains are in Spanish and English.
QUOTE
it is for silly rules and regs like these that when i build my next house, it will have a 4 car garage with perimeter drains all around and a hose bib at every stall. with hot AND cold water. gonna wash my damn car inside and never tell a soul!!!!
I tried to build a detached garage with a drain in the slab. The guy who ispected the footings said I would have to include an oil separator and get another permit.
I took the drain out.
Dave
Yeah, I have installed those oil separator drains before for garages. Pretty simple really, and they do work.
'Course when I was a kid and my dad changed the oil we dumped it in the street drain! There was no recycling.
Geoff
'Course when I was a kid and my dad changed the oil we dumped it in the street drain! There was no recycling.
Geoff
You Cali guys laugh at our cold weather...WE laugh at your stooopid rules, high taxes, high housing costs, pea soup smog, lack of fresh water, crime, Michael Jackson, etc., etc., and so-on...
They don't bug us much out here in the country.
BTW I have my own water treatment plant...it's called a septic system.
I also have my own spring water source...a well.
They don't bug us much out here in the country.
BTW I have my own water treatment plant...it's called a septic system.
I also have my own spring water source...a well.
QUOTE(mikez @ Jan 30 2004, 05:11 AM)
....right offshore the fecal coliform levels quadruple after a rain.....
What does washing your car have to do with fecal levels in the seawater (unless the car you're washing is a piece of sh!t)??
Think fertilizer.....the car washing stuff has crud from the roads, like oil and other contaminated soot. Car washes trap this stuff, filter a lot on site and then release the waste water to drains that go thru the water treatment plant.
So, makes sense in a way...but there should be a clause that would allow self washing on a lawn on something....
So, makes sense in a way...but there should be a clause that would allow self washing on a lawn on something....
Heck,
I just go to the store, buy a can of tuna, rub the oil on the car and let the cat lick it!
Works for me!!!
Ken
I just go to the store, buy a can of tuna, rub the oil on the car and let the cat lick it!
Works for me!!!
Ken
This so cracks me up. Ok, so you can't wash your car because it will release polutants into the drainage? What pollutants? Road grime perhaps? Where does the road grime come from? Uh.... THE ROAD. And what happens when it rains? Uh... the road gets washed. Do these dumb $h!+$ know what the road is made out of? Ever seen a road crew doing a seal coat with oil & chips? Do you know what's coming out of that spray-bar? Seen the guys sealing cracks? Do you know what that goo is they're pressing into the seams? And you can't wash your car. MORONS! You are governed by MORONS. You have my deepest sympathy (unless you are one of the liberals who voted for them). If that liberal comment offends you then listen carefully: DOING THE RIGHT THING TAKES MORE THAN JUST GOOD INTENTIONS. This car washing law is an example of people who had good intentions (less pollution) and passed a useless ordinance to make themselves feel better about it.
-Ben M.
-Ben M.
QUOTE(Red-Beard @ Jan 29 2004, 10:15 PM)
Well, having lived in both NY and Cali, I think I got more money for my tax dollar in NY. There were lots of state parks everywhere, they were well maintained.
New York doesn't have to provide schooling and medical services to that many illegal Canadians...
and isn't trying nearly so hard to drive businesses out of the state...
QUOTE(itsa914 @ Jan 29 2004, 08:31 PM)
What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?
most of it goes straight into the bay. the sewer gutters actually have little signs on them telling you that all the crap you see in there will in fact go straight into the bay.
at least they let you know ...
Andy
Well, the rule is also coupled with mandantory street sweeping.....BTW....most of this is driven by FEDERAL Law....not the local wackos. Some Cities are taking their sweet time getting into local ordinances.
QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 30 2004, 08:00 AM)
BTW I have my own water treatment plant...it's called a septic system.
I also have my own spring water source...a well.
I also have my own spring water source...a well.
so, doesnt that mean, if you wash your car in the driveway you'll drink that crapolla later ???
Andy
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 30 2004, 09:11 AM)
...the sewer gutters actually have little signs on them telling you that all the crap you see in there will in fact go straight into the bay.
and here in the East, the tons of road salt go - back to the ocean from which it came !
I am so glad I don't live in California. I would spend my day pissing off the sorry ass liberals. I want the government out of my life and taxes. I'll pay taxes to have my roads paved, (with tar which is petroleum based), my borders defended, and my enemies asses kicked. I do not want to pay to educate someone elses kid, feed some worthless wellfare junky, treat illegal aliens with some great "by your leave sir", etc. Let me govern my self within the bounds of civilized human decency. Let me drive my teener, wash my teener, fix my teener with out having to get a permit for any of the above. I can live with car registration.
As far as pollution goes, Mt St Helens puked more crap into the atmosphere than have all of the cars in the last 50 years. Enough about global warming. It is warming becaause we are getting closer to the sun and we will all burn up one day, but you know what Who cares I will have long assumed room temperature and won't give a shit.
Yes this is the attidute that has gotten us to this point, SO WHAT.
As far as pollution goes, Mt St Helens puked more crap into the atmosphere than have all of the cars in the last 50 years. Enough about global warming. It is warming becaause we are getting closer to the sun and we will all burn up one day, but you know what Who cares I will have long assumed room temperature and won't give a shit.
Yes this is the attidute that has gotten us to this point, SO WHAT.
Move to Mountain View, I am only 10-15 mins from you and I don't have to deal with that crap.
It's true that there is a reasonable amount of shite that builds up on cars (and the street beneath) that will get washed into the sea when you wash your car. The detergent from a car wash will pull oil out of the road surface on it's way out as well. My argument is more around the fact that there is an awful lot of worse pollutants out there - mostly in big business.
For those of you who think California sucks though - I offer this:
And finally, New Rule: Lay off California! [laughter] [applause] You know, the rest of America has been having quite a laugh at California’s expense lately. But let’s remember this: California has a lot of people. [laughter] And the reason it does is lots of other people in other states saying, “Fuck this, I’m outta here!” [laughter] [applause]
And then those people come here to California, and people ask them, “Don’t you miss the winters?” [laughter] No, strangely enough, I don’t. [laughter] Much the same way I don’t miss slamming a car door on my hands. [laughter]
Make fun of California, but if it weren’t for California, East Coast rappers would have to shoot musicians from Branson. [laughter] [applause]
If it weren’t for California, there’s be almost no TV, and you’d have to come home at night and actually talk to your family. [laughter] [applause]
You know, the rest of America feels about California the way the rest of the world feels about America. They hate us because we do what we want. They think we’re too blessed and too free, and it makes them nuts in the dreary hovels of Kabul and Tikrit and Lubbock, Texas. [laughter] [applause]
They pray to their threadbare gods that we’ll get what we deserve. But it won’t happen. [laughter] Because you never know what we’re going to do here next. We elected Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown. [laughter] [applause]
We’re home to Disney and Hustler, the Partridge Family and the Manson Family. [laughter] We can drink a Mudslide and a Sex on the Beach during an actual mudslide while having sex on the beach! [laughter] [applause]
Our farms feed the world, and Calista Flockhart lives here. [laughter]
We have bears and great white sharks. And even our washed-up actors are allowed to kill one blonde chick. [laughter] [groans]
We invented surfing and cyber-porn and LSD and the boob job. And if we didn’t, we would haven. [laughter]
We have oranges, free oranges, everywhere. What grows on the trees in Scranton, fucker?! [laughter] [applause]
We have a real hockey team named after a hockey team in a movie! [laughter]
Our Indian casinos could kick your Indian casinos’ ass. [laughter]
We give our illegal aliens driver’s licenses. [laughter] And we have a guy running for governor who digs group sex. [laughter] [applause]
Would anywhere else in America trade places with L.A. or San Francisco in a piss-soaked New York minute? You bet they would. Because I don’t recall anyone ever writing a song called “I Wish They All Could Be Rhode Island Girls”! [laughter] [applause]
For those of you who think California sucks though - I offer this:
QUOTE
And finally, New Rule: Lay off California! [laughter] [applause] You know, the rest of America has been having quite a laugh at California’s expense lately. But let’s remember this: California has a lot of people. [laughter] And the reason it does is lots of other people in other states saying, “Fuck this, I’m outta here!” [laughter] [applause]
And then those people come here to California, and people ask them, “Don’t you miss the winters?” [laughter] No, strangely enough, I don’t. [laughter] Much the same way I don’t miss slamming a car door on my hands. [laughter]
Make fun of California, but if it weren’t for California, East Coast rappers would have to shoot musicians from Branson. [laughter] [applause]
If it weren’t for California, there’s be almost no TV, and you’d have to come home at night and actually talk to your family. [laughter] [applause]
You know, the rest of America feels about California the way the rest of the world feels about America. They hate us because we do what we want. They think we’re too blessed and too free, and it makes them nuts in the dreary hovels of Kabul and Tikrit and Lubbock, Texas. [laughter] [applause]
They pray to their threadbare gods that we’ll get what we deserve. But it won’t happen. [laughter] Because you never know what we’re going to do here next. We elected Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown. [laughter] [applause]
We’re home to Disney and Hustler, the Partridge Family and the Manson Family. [laughter] We can drink a Mudslide and a Sex on the Beach during an actual mudslide while having sex on the beach! [laughter] [applause]
Our farms feed the world, and Calista Flockhart lives here. [laughter]
We have bears and great white sharks. And even our washed-up actors are allowed to kill one blonde chick. [laughter] [groans]
We invented surfing and cyber-porn and LSD and the boob job. And if we didn’t, we would haven. [laughter]
We have oranges, free oranges, everywhere. What grows on the trees in Scranton, fucker?! [laughter] [applause]
We have a real hockey team named after a hockey team in a movie! [laughter]
Our Indian casinos could kick your Indian casinos’ ass. [laughter]
We give our illegal aliens driver’s licenses. [laughter] And we have a guy running for governor who digs group sex. [laughter] [applause]
Would anywhere else in America trade places with L.A. or San Francisco in a piss-soaked New York minute? You bet they would. Because I don’t recall anyone ever writing a song called “I Wish They All Could Be Rhode Island Girls”! [laughter] [applause]
California does suck. Don't make any mistakes. As for the jokes about people leaving their states to come to California, understand that if it were not for illeagal immigration, California would have a huge DROP in population. Nevada and Arizona are getting the people. You know why? The weather is comparable and they have less taxes. Businesses are FLEEING California (as will mine one day) becuase the cost to do business here, live here, work here, raise a family here in a decent middle-class neighborhood is so high that average income earners can not live here.
So save me your tripe about people coming to California. Illegal immigrants are coming to California because we give away every benefit that we can. That is why California is not shrinking in population, and it is the only reason.
Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state. There are too few supporting too many and something has got to give.
"Who is John Galt?"
So save me your tripe about people coming to California. Illegal immigrants are coming to California because we give away every benefit that we can. That is why California is not shrinking in population, and it is the only reason.
Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state. There are too few supporting too many and something has got to give.
"Who is John Galt?"
QUOTE(KaptKaos @ Jan 30 2004, 12:31 PM)
Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state.
When that happens property prices will go down, standard of living will go down & beach front property will be affordable!
Another gold rush about to happen Go West young man, Go West...........b
QUOTE(KaptKaos @ Jan 30 2004, 11:31 AM)
Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state.
it'll take more than illegal immigrants to turn the 5th larges economy in the world into a 3rd world country.
have you actually ever been to a 3rd world country? (and i don't mean staying at a resort)
but i have to agree with your assessment of the overall (srewd up) politics around here.
and arnold won't help, i'm afraid ...
<_< Andy
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