It's a 1968 912. The over all condition is really nice, infact I would say a six out of ten. The problem is some time ago someone decided it would be cool to add turbo flares and tail on this otherwise stock 912. I drove it once and it seemed OK. Recently the owner came to me because he coun't get it started. I looked at it apears as though over the last few months a bunch of water got in the engine and it will not turn over by hand at all. I recomended he drain all of the oil out and refill it asap. At that time I offerd him 2K for it. The owner wants to get 7K out of it.

So it's a nice 912, but has been molested with turbo flares, and the engine may be toast. Was my offer reasonable?

-Rob

one man's molested is another man's eye candy!

to be honest, i think it looks sexy.. the mismatched rims though kinda kills it..

no idea on value, but it looks nice

it's definitely a bastard. Looks like a good race car candidate if it's solid, but not worth much IMHO. unless he finds a buyer with the same taste ( and a spare 912 motor)

So am I totaly off my rocker for offering 2,000? I got my '72 914 for 1,200 and it has a strong running engine and reqired a similar level of body work. The last time I checked it can cost a small fortune to rebuild a 616 type engine. Wouldn't that affect the value a lot?

-Rob

Steel or plastic flares?
Flare the fronts, lose the Turbo tail, put on a ducktail and you're pretty much at early (2,8) RSR look. (IMO Turbo tails have no place on a long hood car, but again, that's my opinion...)

it -can- cost a small fortune to rebuild any engine - depends what's bad and what you expect. if it's -really- bad, uprate to 911 (somewhat easier than a 914 /4 -> /6) or drop in a T-IV.

The big questions - HOW IS THE RUST? front pans and torsion tube will tell the tale. If they're solid, you're probably closer to his number than yours (check out Excellence for longhood car values...).

You're not off your rocker _offering_ a lowball starting number. (Starting at $20,000 is off your rocker ;-)...) You may have unreasonable expectations thinking you can actually get it for that price, however...

On or off your rocker, regardless... at $2k you'd still be upside down.

I'll agree that Turbo tails don't belong on longhoods... in fact; I don't think they belong on anything but Turbos. I've seen many on SC's and even that makes me wanna If you have to have a tail on a long hood make it a duck. If you have to have a tail on an SC make it a Carrera.

I'll counter Rich with; keep the fronts and find some SWB rear quarters only if you know how to weld.

Otherwise; walk away confident that even small children (and furry animals) are pointing and giggling at that one.

There's nothing there to buy but a few parts. It looks like a yard sale. Crap spread out everywhere that doesn't go together.

2K, for a long hood 912 with mods, running....grab it. Take the crap off, sell it and enjoy it was designed.

7K, the dork can suck eggs. Why is it every weenie in the...whatever, thinks a non-running Porche is wurth a billion dollars? Go tip a cow numbnutz....

Are the rear quarters differant for the short wheel base cars? I never really thought about it before, but I supose they would have to be. I don't think welding would be as much an issue as locating good replacement sheet metal.

From what he told me the other day, he knows someone that is into 'classic cars' and 'knows' aircooled that will pay 7K for it when he gets back from deployment. I don't think he knows that the engine is frozen however.. or even what a 912 is.

-Rob

Yes, I had missed the fact that as a '68 it's a SWB car, which helps explain why the proportions look so weird. And of course if the rear flares are plastic (likely) then I agree it has value only as transportation, which it's not with no engine.

Tell him good luck on that sale.

-Mike

I really don't approve of taking advantage of our men and women who serve... but, let him but it. That thing's a piece of crap. Again, even at $2k you'd be upside down. Quick Math:

Piece of Shit = 2k
Metal = 1k
Metal work = 2k
Paint = 8k
Engine = 5k
All the other crap it will need to make it right = 8-10k (don't make me list it out... I've restore 2 911's and 3 914's)

Total = $26-28k (you'll get $150 back when you sell the POS tail on eBay)

Now check the prices on really cool 912's (because me thinks 912's are really cool).

"Step away from the car"

7K for that basterdized non running car? I would rather pony up the extra 5K for this one anyday.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/805917128.html

Exactly...