Found a few places that sell the fiberglass targa bars, but no before and after pictures.

Know where there are some pictures?

Thanks.

I know Roger Sheridan makes one but i'm not sure which of the cars on his website have it installed.

Just email him and ask, he's usually very good at getting back to people ...
Andy


914 FIBERGLASS TARGA BAR $450.00 (APPROX. WEIGHT 4 LBS.)

http://www.ultimate914.com/MOTORSPORTS_WE/...DARD_BODYx.html

Thanks Andy.

I'm not sure whether or not it makes sense to cut the targa top off. If you do you have to add cross members to effect the same load carried by the targa roof. Net weight gain might not be that much. This might be one of those projects that take a huge amount of time, but not much gain...

But the weight is high in the car. Plus, the cage is already taking some of that load. I would think a lower brace across the top of the firewall together with scab plates from the firewall to the cage should be enough for that area.

Your cage does tie into the rear shock towers, right?
Andy

There is A LOT of steel in the targa bar. Cut off if you can. But please add back a f/g one. 914's look stupid w/o the t-bar.

Not yet, that is the base project, i.e, to tie the front and rear shock towers to the cage.

I am also eliminating the (upper) front hoop, so nothing will be in front of the driver.

Will be adding a down tube from the (top of) back hoop to the top of the front hoop, which resides below the streering wheel.

I already have big scab plates and a triangle forward to brace the front hoop.

I'll post a picture.

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Hey Paul,

I'm trying to find a picture of a 914 without the targa bar, but no luck so far, but I believe you about the car looking stupid without the bar.

I can't even find a picture of a f/g one or how they are attached.

I have some shots of non-Tbar cars on the home PC.

On my car I cut off the seam that runs up the back side of the panel (the area that the aluminum trim piece covers) and peeled the face steel off sail panel. The single layer of steel weighs very little. Do the same with the T-bar top section.

I don't dislike the targa bar removed except for the feeling it looses the distinctiveness of the 914....whether that is good or bad is subjective.

I need to loose about 150lbs from the shitbox to get to E Mod minimum. The targa bar is in danger with its 18 or so lbs. Thus far I've only got about 65lbs on a short list.

E-Mod minimum? What weight is that JP? Oh, maybe you're saying the weight loss necessary to be competitive in E-Mod.

My next big decision, after the "subjective"Targa bar one is losing all the fenders and going for f/g ones.

Bontempi has a body kit that can be made real thin. I'll have to ask him what the total kit weighs so net loss can be figured out.

Minimum weight is 1750 with driver or around 1575 without.
The loss of 150 lbs would get me there but that alone is not enough to get to competitive at the national level. I'd also need better tires and a way to get them to work under the car. I'm gonna do some trans mods which I hope will help. Some top drawer shocks.......I need a lotto win the whole package.

Not much to be gained with FG fenders, me thinks......but I've been wrong before. The whole Sheridan body kit would be a big help....pricy sumbitch tho and some well thought out reinforcements to replace the missing metal.

Hmmm, i really like the current look of your car ...

Maybe stockish FG fenders with FG flares riveted to them?
Andy

You need some of my door skins.

How much dollars American?
How'd you do at the Flordia AX Championship?

A guy showed up with a real DM car and kicked my ass. It was a former DSR that weighed 800 pounds and had a 1000cc Yamaha in it.

But I had a bigger wing....

I'll PM you about the skins

You mean that E Mod SCCA guy with the Sprint is 1575# without the driver?

Sprint?....Sprite.......I gotta look at the book.
Oops, we can be at 1700 with driver. The Sprite is a bit tougher,
2 rotor is 1700, 3 rotor is 1800.....minus 50 lbs if less than 51 % of its weight is over the rear wheels. This is last year's, 2007, rule book. I think they made some changes for 2008. Gotta go online to look at that.

What do the skins weight Paul and how are they attached?

Thanks.

Right, a Sprite.

If they say that the minimum weight has to be X with the driver or Y without, how does that work? It can't be either or as that would give the creative folks a big advantage.

Also are you saying that if my car has 51% of it's weight over the rear wheels that I could go down to 1650# with the driver?

Is that really all that the targa section weighs if you cut the whole thing off? I have to admit I assumed a lot more but wouldn't be surprised given how they intelligently boxed every section.

I have to admit I am always rather amazed how efficient the 914 base structure is - I start looking to hack weight out of my car and realize I could spend another $2K in fiberglass bits and save maybe 60-70lbs overall v. just working the existing steel parts.

At SCCA events (Tour & Nats) the car is weighed with the driver in it for the Mod classes.
LESS that 51% on the drive wheels gets you a 50 lb reduction......that would be N/A for a 914, but the Sprite might get it.
I've heard 12 to 18 lbs for the Targa bar.....you pick one.

Randal,

Skins are 5-8 pounds. No provisions for hinges. You can attach them with dzus or chop up a factory door to use the hinges. They are only the outer skin.

Dollars, American? per pair?.....WAG, clue?

Between $80-100 each. Cheaper when you buy 2 at once. There are other sources also.

Hey Paul, I'm assuming you have these on your car and if so could you post a close up of how they are attached.

Thank you.

I think I'd want the light ones @ 16.00 per pound rather than the heavy ones @ 12.50 per pound.
I'll get back to you after I see what the wife has done at Christmas.

Randal,

They are mounted on my car a LITTLE different than most 914's....

I used four dzus fasteners to hold it on when the skins were on in place of the stock doors.

This is about the only old picture I can find of it.

Joe Ricard had a pair of my skins mounted to the door frame so he could still use the hinges. Although I've never seen a picture of them.

Compare...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914...ass-Door-Skins_
W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42611QQihZ003QQitemZ130240495480QQtcZphoto

Here's a cheaper version. http://rennspd.com/P_Detail.asp?PID=376&Task=STD

Nice to see somone take Emod seriously with a 914. Go Randal!

Now that panel would weigh a lot less than standard fenders and door, but lots of work to incorporate the panel - if I wanted to retain the cf hood and trunk.

It does get one to thinking, but now I understand how your car got to be mostly tube frames Paul.

Randal... I'll PM or email you with picts....

Rob, how are you doing with that new race car?
Plans, pix?

Yep I got some of them FG skins. I put them on gutted late doors.
Actually not completely gutted as I still had roll up window using early winders. I just bonded the FG to where the buggered up steel outer was. No outer door handle, just a hole to poke a screw driver through.
With both pieces of glass each door was 21 pounds.

Paul,

That is a really creative take on the rule that says the door may be attached with dzus fasteners, but must be removable. I love it.

Kelly

Rules never made anybody faster. You can quote me on that one.