The car looks really good. The interior looks amazing. The 180hp diesel motor is not very impressive. Not to mention the price of diesel is about twice the price of regular gas and it's not something I would buy. I could really care less about fuel economy. I only drove 7000 miles last year.

Wether they keep the diesel or go with gas I still want 100 more hp and torque and then I will lay down the cash.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy8Sya4tv0A...player_embedded

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/VWBluesportPress/

Now what has really got my interest is it seems the entire Jaguar lineup will have models capable of 200mph. But I am getting off topic.

Zimms posted something yesterday---
slipped to page 2 already

Gary

Looks like they target the European market where diesel is still cheaper than gasoline.

That's also why it's only 1.8L, because that's the top of the tax bracket. Above 1.8L, you pay through your nose on taxes ...

Andy

Partly true but Diesel is more expensive then petrol in the UK, and tax is all about emissions. Something else to kep pthe eco-psychos happy.

R

Like the idea but 2600lbs? ugh

kyle

C'mon guys, while its not a 1900# 914, its not all THAT bad... 0-60 in 6.2, highway mileage at 40-50 mpg, 140 mph top end, effective heat and a/c, 170+hp and 200+ TQ, did our 914's do all that back in the day? In todays world, I'd say thats pretty good, actually. What else is going to go that quickly, that far, or that fast, and still be a rag top? I'm going to wait to see it and judge it on its own merits, rather than hold it to a standard it was not built to, but one I'd have liked to have seen. I think we'd all like a 2000# car with 300 hp and 50 mpg selling for 15K, but is that really going to happen in todays crash worthy tail pipe sniff'n world?

Gasoline = $178.4

Diesel fuel= #231.4

Not exactly double, my 300 cd turbodiesel, if I take it easy 40 + mpg. 25 on the teener. I have heard of people getting 800,000 to 1,000,000 miles on the engine. The correct turbo on that car should produce ton's of ponys. I would like to see underneath it. I would like to drive it.

Nice Honda ...





lol

Alright alright, I am starting to come around but as usual I would be surprised if the production car was the same. I think that there are some definitely cool points to the car, one of them being the ability to chip it and turn up the boost. Can you imagine 220hp and 300lbs trq.......hmmm

Kyle

My point exactly. Lets see what we have to work with here. 220/300 would be good...

Stock 914s are well above 2000 pounds as well. A stock 76 weighs in around 2400, with about 1/2 the power of the new car.

It is a bit of work to drop a 914 to under 1 ton, even an ealry one.

These days, it is almost impossible to get a car with the creature comforts that buyers want and keep it light. Sure, delete the HVAC, audio, sound proofing, air bags and such and you can do it. Of course, the car would not sell, except to a small niche audience. Oh, and I don't think it would be road legal for a new car either...

Oh, and the VW 1.8TDi is a KILLER engine. 45mpg all day long, and just chip it for another 30 or so HP. Yes, please. I'll take 2. gas prices are already back on the rise. Are our memories so short that we can't remember that we were paying $4 a gallon 2 months ago?

Zach

Yeah.. the solstice weighs around 2600lbs too...Let's not forget that when gas prices were $4 a gallon, diesel was $5 a gallon but that wouldn't stop me if it really could get 35+ mpg.

kyle

My 300 weighs about 3400 lbs and gets around 40+ mpg.

Tough part will be driving it economically. It looks way too fun.

I saw this car yesterday and have to admit, I really like it. And I have pretty much not liked any concept cars in quite awhile from Europe. I like the diesel and agree some hot rodder tricks with larger turbo, better management, etc that little 1.8L might just be more impressive than you expect.

I see the talk of weight and folks coming around - keep in mind that if you took a 914 from any year, by the time you retrofit the car to meet today's crash standards and noise deadening (market req't), it would hurdle 2600 lbs in a flash. As another pointed out the late cars were 2400 lbs with crappy crash bumpers by today's standards, little crash protection (the whole front trunk is basically a crumple zone hahahha), noisy in the interior compartment, no AC unless it was added and it nearly killed the motor to run it, and less power to start.

Diesel prices in this country v. gas actually concern me a bit cuz diesel users are getting price gouged in my opinion. Here in Denver area most stations have reg fuel for $1.40/gal and diesel almost $1 more! makes no sense when at the peak of prices the difference was 60 cents. However, one station by my house it 60 cents more per gallon on diesel for weeks now, making me think in general some gouging is happening... bullsh!t if you ask me.

Sucks because high pressure direct injection turbo diesels are the way to go in the near term IMHO to reduce fuel dependency. Just by the fundamentals of engineering the diesel is more efficient than a gasoline engine with a throttle plate.

edit - just went back and watched the YouTube clip - it doesn't sound that bad! Nothing like my dad's 1984 diesel Escort And the overall look is growing on me even more.

Besides the fact that when the gas runs out us diesel owners will be driving by in our bio-fuel powered cars.

I think this little car is going to be great. Plus it will be in a good price point so that what the other options are it will be much better.

i like the concept design alot

That motor it plenty. My mom just bought a 2009 TDi Jetta. Fun to drive, and around town 30+ MPG is easy to achieve. 80 on the freeway and still getting 40+ MPG.

Also the DSG transmission is a blast to drive. I don't even know if I would bother with a manual. The Jetta doesn't come with paddle shifters, but it would make this car perfect.

I dont see any resemblance to a 914 in that car more beetle like.

Well one thing to keep in mind I guess. When I sold my honda with a 1.6 liter it was putting down 350 whp. So I guess there is always room for more power with a turbo.

The Torque number isn't bad and with some ecu tweaks I am sure it can see 100 more pounds of torque. Then you got a real fast car.

A bit too rounded looking to resemble the 914- especially in the back end.
Maybe it should be referred to as the new Karman Ghia instead.

HP is a marketing number....

260 lb ft of torque in a 2600 lbs car is quite a bit...

Rich

Great looking car; hope it comes to the USA with a gasoline engine with approximately 250 HP and the Porsche PDK transmission....

I would go for it with a 2.0 TDI motor. I really like the look and it does take styling queues from the 914.

Better pic.

Nice car ...if you have tits, can bury a bone faster then a dog,give milk without eat`n grass,and bleed for 5 days strait without die`n.... JMO......Its f*%# gay

Something like this could be a Boxster killer. So since Porsche has controlling interest in VW, will they allow it?

Porsche is already planning a 4-cyl Boxster in 2011. Maybe Porsche feels that VW and Porsche are not fighting over the same type of customer? We already have the Touareg (VW) and Cayenne (Porsche) that are pretty much the same car (give or take), but targeted for two different groups of people.

Regardless, the VW looks nice. It's not a 914 (and don't think it ever will be labeled that way). It reminds me more of a VW version of the last generation Toyota MR2