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914-6 engine, newly aquired |
car guy |
Jul 25 2017, 07:15 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 25-July 17 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 21,283 Region Association: None |
Hello everyone! New Member here.
I just acquired a 914 engine that was disassembled 4747. I purchased it and was told it was a 1970 2.2T motor and wanted to build it as a project back to original specs that is still my plan unless someone needs it. I would also be interested in some opinions. Since when I purchased it and it was represented as a 1970 911 2.2T motor and it is a 914-6 motor did I get the better end of the deal? which motor is more valuable? |
rgalla9146 |
Jul 25 2017, 07:48 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,561 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
Hello everyone! New Member here. I just acquired a 914 engine that was disassembled 4747. I purchased it and was told it was a 1970 2.2T motor and wanted to build it as a project back to original specs that is still my plan unless someone needs it. I would also be interested in some opinions. Since when I purchased it and it was represented as a 1970 911 2.2T motor and it is a 914-6 motor did I get the better end of the deal? which motor is more valuable? .2 better |
jmz |
Jul 25 2017, 07:54 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 11-April 16 From: Lone Star State Member No.: 19,886 Region Association: None |
Hello everyone! New Member here. I just acquired a 914 engine that was disassembled 4747. I purchased it and was told it was a 1970 2.2T motor and wanted to build it as a project back to original specs that is still my plan unless someone needs it. I would also be interested in some opinions. Since when I purchased it and it was represented as a 1970 911 2.2T motor and it is a 914-6 motor did I get the better end of the deal? which motor is more valuable? Are you saying it is engine number 6404747? |
McMark |
Jul 25 2017, 08:00 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
The 914-6 engine will be more valuable to the right person, IMHO. But you may have to sit on it awhile to get that 'good' selling price.
Unless parts on the engine are reusable, there are a few upgrade paths that can be fun, but cost/benefit would encourage you to start with a bigger engine rather than spending lots of money on a small motor build. |
Optimusglen |
Jul 25 2017, 08:14 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 26-February 16 From: Minneapolis Member No.: 19,709 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
The 914-6 2.0 and the 2.2T motors are pretty close in value I think.
Unless, of course, the owner of the 914-6 that previously had that exact engine decides to bring their car back to numbers matching. Then I think the 2.0 would be worth quite a bit more. If someone was restoring a 914-6 and wanted the correct engine but non-numbers matching, I wonder what that would do to the value. |
car guy |
Jul 25 2017, 08:19 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 25-July 17 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 21,283 Region Association: None |
Yes the engine number is 6404747
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rgalla9146 |
Jul 25 2017, 09:00 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,561 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
Yes the engine number is 6404747 As already said; The greatest value is to the person that owns the car that the engine came in. If you can find him/her If the car exists If they care If you can determine condition. If they'll pay Plus..........it's a lot harder to start with an engine number and find the car VIN than to start with a car VIN and know what engine to look for. |
toolguy |
Jul 25 2017, 09:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,270 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
you'd be looking for a car with a vin around 914043 1344
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GeorgeRud |
Jul 25 2017, 10:21 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
The 914-6 never came with a 2.2 motor from the factory, though some previous owner may have enlarged the bore during a rebuild. I'd agree that the engine would only be particularly valuable to the owner of the matching car.
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Larmo63 |
Jul 25 2017, 09:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
I wish he would answer the question as to what the complete motor number and type is.
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rgalla9146 |
Jul 26 2017, 05:57 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,561 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
you'd be looking for a car with a vin around 914043 1344 I know the owner of a car that is two VINs older than mine. I have a 1983 letter from Porsche that includes my engine number. The owner of the other car has a COA to verify his engine number. Our engines are 42 numbers apart. I believe in approximations...... but they can be misleading. |
gms |
Jul 26 2017, 09:20 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,695 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
A 914/6 engine is not very powerful and anyone doing a conversion would probably chose sometime of a larger displacement because it cost about the same to rebuild a 3.0 L as it does to do 2.0L. I am not disparaging these engines but just trying to put a realistic value because I see people charging over $1500 for a case and as far as I am concerned that is nuts unless you own the car it belongs to. If you rebuild a 914/6 engine then you are raising the price that the owner of the car it belongs to has to pay and not knowing your abilities as an engine builder might make that a hard sell.
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Cracker |
Jul 26 2017, 09:57 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,148 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Atlanta (area) Member No.: 11,316 Region Association: South East States |
Actually more specifically around #1368...if numbers are assigned sequentially. My car is #1670 / Engine #5049
Tony PS: I've done a fair amount of research and the added value for a matching number package in a Porsche isn't that substantial - not like the old "muscle cars" of old. As said previously, their isn't allot of value either way. The "bonus" of having matching numbers ranges from 5 to 10 percent. Their is the value to the right person and then only maybe... you'd be looking for a car with a vin around 914043 1344 |
mepstein |
Jul 26 2017, 11:33 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Actually more specifically around #1368...if numbers are assigned sequentially. My car is #1670 / Engine #5049 Tony PS: I've done a fair amount of research and the added value for a matching number package in a Porsche isn't that substantial - not like the old "muscle cars" of old. As said previously, their isn't allot of value either way. The "bonus" of having matching numbers ranges from 5 to 10 percent. Their is the value to the right person and then only maybe... you'd be looking for a car with a vin around 914043 1344 I disagree. It depends on the car but I'll say a good 20% for the people who find it to be important. Many guys won't even look at the car of its not matching. It makes no difference to me but I do see this all the time since our shop buys and sells at least one or two cars a week. Singer only uses cars with matching number engines even though everything gets modified. EarlyS and 356 guys seem to live or die over numbers matching. Crazy! Don't even get me started on date matched wheels, steering wheels, etc. |
Mark Henry |
Jul 26 2017, 12:19 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
A 914/6 engine is not very powerful and anyone doing a conversion would probably chose sometime of a larger displacement because it cost about the same to rebuild a 3.0 L as it does to do 2.0L. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) On a conversion I'd never get hung up on the correct engine size, to me in this case the correct engine is the one with the best HP and engine. My conversion I started with a 2.0S core then a 2.7 core and finally I built on a 3.0 because of the AL case. |
Cracker |
Jul 26 2017, 12:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,148 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Atlanta (area) Member No.: 11,316 Region Association: South East States |
Mark - I agree if we are talking "end of the rainbow" builds...like the guys who only will look (etc, etc). Those builds ultimately eclipse what the cars actually worth (and the market has softened already). That to me is not what real world, normal trading takes place - not for 914's anyway.. We can all agree owners can ask whatever they want...I have seen "those" cars sit idle.
PS-Typing on phone from the beach...pleasr excuse tupos! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Tony [quote name='mepstein' I disagree. It depends on the car but I'll say a good 20% for the people who find it to be important. [/quote] |
Eric_Shea |
Jul 26 2017, 12:58 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
A 914/6 engine is not very powerful and anyone doing a conversion would probably chose sometime of a larger displacement because it cost about the same to rebuild a 3.0 L as it does to do 2.0L. I am not disparaging these engines but just trying to put a realistic value because I see people charging over $1500 for a case and as far as I am concerned that is nuts unless you own the car it belongs to. If you rebuild a 914/6 engine then you are raising the price that the owner of the car it belongs to has to pay and not knowing your abilities as an engine builder might make that a hard sell. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Those Mag case 2.0 and 2.2 motors are some of, if not the, least desirable motors to build anything off. If you can find the owner of the car it may have some value. |
porschetub |
Jul 26 2017, 05:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,703 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
IMO the valve of the engine is less in the OP's case because it has been dissembled,been burn in the past buying engines this way ....theres always some parts missing or parts rusted due to poor storage....parts get damaged also.
At the end of the day its what someone will pay. |
car guy |
Jul 27 2017, 02:23 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 25-July 17 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 21,283 Region Association: None |
I believed someone asked for more info on the case, here is what I know.
901/38 6404747 901.101.101.3R I hope this helps! |
McMark |
Jul 27 2017, 06:25 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
More and more this seems to feel like a thinly veiled classified ad... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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