Pissed off & need advise Options

[Cap'n Krusty]

Their "flunky" committed a criminal act while under their employ and on their premises. They're probably criminally and civilly liable. Can't remove a VIN tag of an7y kind, whether or not there are others. Having a motor vehicle without the proper tags potentially exposes YOU to future problems, and the value of your car is materially diminished. In fact, they're in deeper than that, because they have to commit a criminal act in order to fix their OTHER criminal act ...............

Interesting dilemma, no?

The Cap'n

[sixnotfour]

robmog
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004

i sourced the 5mm biopsy punches. in bulk they cost about $1.50.

from 911s

[carr914]

TC 911s registry guys have a couple of threads about this. They are in the same boat.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/sho...ght=vin+sticker

robmog
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004

i sourced the 5mm biopsy punches. in bulk they cost about $1.50.

from 911s

Thanks for the info. I got in touch with Rob today and he is sending me his kit. It includes 2 Stickers, 2 practice Stickers, a tool to make the circles and Instructions. I may still need a jig for doing the Vin# and date code.

I will let everyone know if this is the solution. Maybe I can do a few for others in need if it isn't too tough.

T.C.

[TedK]

Good info, I am going to subscribe to this thread for sure. I was talking to my favorite body shop owner and he told me about this place...........automotiveid.com Not the solution we are looking for but interesting none the less.

Ted K

[zambezi]

I believe Wilhelm is on the right track with the jig for making the VIN. That is exactly as I had invisioned it when I posted about making a jig earlier. I am a machinist and making that jig with all the possible hole combinations would be fairly easy and very accurate. with the sticker properly placed and clamped between the two jig plates it would be a simple matter of pushing through the proper holes to cut out the VIN.
JIM

[brer]

I would think making the VIN perforations could be done with some practice and by making a jig with the number layout, but the anti-tamper circular impressions would be harder. Or does the Auto Atlanta stickers already have those?
JIM

Laser cutter would be my approach to the holes.

[charliew]

It might be overkill but a different jig could be made with the larger holes and a hollow punch cut at a angle to replicate the scales. Maybe it's harder than it seems though.

Without the new sticker it is a real job to fill in the holes of a color change on the car.

[Wilhelm]

So..... I went out to do some measurements of the number grid off of the vin tag from the '70 914 in the driveway. The jamb had been repainted, but the vin tag was obviously taped off and preserved. Weird thing though is the vin # appears to be printed and not punched though the date code is punched. I'll post a pict in am. Were some vin tags printed and some punched, or do I have a faked vin tag?

[carr914]

It might be overkill but a different jig could be made with the larger holes and a hollow punch cut at a angle to replicate the scales. Maybe it's harder than it seems though.

Without the new sticker it is a real job to fill in the holes of a color change on the car.

I think the problem there is the larger dimples (scales) butt up against each other. I think you would have to make at least 2 jigs to do it.

Rob from the 911S Registry is sending me his kit with instructions on how to do the dimples. Hopefully it is simple. Will advise.

T.C.

[Lavanaut]

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[Wilhelm]

So..... I went out to do some measurements of the number grid off of the vin tag from the '70 914 in the driveway. The jamb had been repainted, but the vin tag was obviously taped off and preserved. Weird thing though is the vin # appears to be printed and not punched though the date code is punched. I'll post a pict in am. Were some vin tags printed and some punched, or do I have a faked vin tag?

So if you "click to enlarge" you can see the numbers are printed on this red 70 car. The white 71 car in front yard also has a printed vin. My 73 has no sticker (sandblasted off by yours truly). My other three cars I can't see the vins as they are in a cargo container with the drivers door near a wall. What year did the vins become perforated. For reference this tag measures 39mm tall by 135mm wide. Height wise the dots of the vin numbers are on 1mm centers. The dot size is .5 mm (printed). For punched sizes I'd need measurements from someone.

[carr914]

The differences I see between yours & mine;

Mine - 914-6 - sticker is perforated, has rounded corners, says Porsche KG

Yours - 914 - Sticker is printed, corners are squared off (probably from the taping), says Volkswagenwerk AG

[carr914]

Here is the page from AA Catalog. It says #3 is the 70-71 Sticker. Yours is the right color, but says Volkswagenwerk. We need some other people to chime in.

[SirAndy]

The differences I see between yours & mine;

914-6 = Round corners and stamped VIN

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1234575320.jpg)

[SirAndy]

In a former life, i used to work at a printing company.

I can make a *exact* Photoshop replica of the early 914-6 sticker.
All we need is someone to figure out the stamping and perforating.

It looks as if the perforating was done in two passes to get the circles to slightly overlap.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) Andy

[TedK]

Looks like the VIN and DOM are punched through, but the "fish scales" only go part-way through the actual sticker so as to make it break apart if you tried to remove it, but would not separate into little pieces before being applied to the vehicle. That would take some careful "punching".

[MDG]

Hi Wilhelm, I'm certainly not doubting something you have on hand but when I enlarge the pic the numbers do look like they've been punched out not printed. In the pic you can see what appears to be remnants of where the perf has not gone cleanly through (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

maybe they used different methods on the early cars; my '73 & '76 - both perfed

Hi Andy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) I believe the labels would have been manufactured for VW/Porsche with the 'background' circles already in place; the factory only would have added the VIN/Date. I own a printing company and see these type of patterned labels all the time where the blank label stock comes with a kiss-cut pattern like this.

Unfortunately the aftermarket ones are already cut to size and almost have to be done by hand as the die-presses would not be able to grip something so small. Maybe someone out there has an old Heidleberg - you could duplicate the circles and pin holes exactly with one.

The brass die might cost $150-$250 though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[MDG]

Ted, you are 100% correct; the method is called a kiss-cut; the blade pierces the suface of the stock but does not punch all the way through.

That way, once the label has been affixed to the car you cannot removed it without destroying the pattern; if you were to try and remove after it's been stuck down, the adhesive holds, the kiss-cut separates and the circles come out

Obviously a well thought out method to preven tampering

[Joe Bob]

Not pretty but still intact....

[MDG]

T.C.'s and Mike's cars are only 71 apart off the line; like ships passing in the night . . .