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Relay board wiring help, Making sense of the relay board diagram |
enikolayev |
Jun 28 2010, 10:23 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
It has been three years since the car drove but i have finally rebuilt the engine and reinstalled it. Now i'm trying to wire it all up. Too bad i didn't keep a record of where everything went.
I'm looking at the relay board diagram and most of the wires are accounted for except a few oddballs don't seem to match. The car is a '74 with a 1.8 on Webbers Wires in italics are not accounted for I think these wires go to the area outlined in red on the Relay Board Diagram (to be posted) Here we have the following wires: Green w/ Red Stripe Green w/ Black stripe Green (2) Grey w/ Brown Stripe Black w/ Red Stripe Black w/ Purple Stripe White Thick Yellow which turns into Red |
enikolayev |
Jun 28 2010, 10:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
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enikolayev |
Jun 28 2010, 10:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
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type47 |
Jun 29 2010, 02:21 AM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The connection you circled in green is the "14 pin" connector. Those wires go in a "plastic" connector that is then pushed onto the pins on the relay board. You can see from your relay board diagram there are 13 wires used; number 6 is not used. The one circled in red is the "12 pin" connector and there should also be a plug. There are good color electrical schematics on PelicanParts.com that you can use to trace continuity of your circuits.
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enikolayev |
Jun 29 2010, 02:24 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
My relay board had no connector. The wires go directly onto the board.
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type47 |
Jun 29 2010, 02:28 AM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Maybe the connectors were "lost" during the carb conversion. I would think it would be easy for a wire to become disconnected from the relay board while driving. I'll get a pic of a connector and post it.
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Spoke |
Jun 29 2010, 05:18 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,991 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
You are correct that the wires from Post 1 go to the red connector and those from Post 2 go to the green connector. As mentioned, you should really try to procure the plastic connectors that these wires go to. Put a WTB: ad in the classifieds for the 2 connectors.
Use your voltmeter to check all wires to make sure you get the right ones. Don't go by what I tell you. Check these wires yourself to be sure. Show some pics where the other ends of the wires in question go and we should be able to help figure this out. From Post 1: Thick yellow which turns to red: I don't know what this means that yellow turns to red, but the thick yellow wire from this connector could be to pin 6 which goes to the starter. Here are the wire colors and connections from my 74 schematic from my Haynes manual: Pin 1 GR/RD Oil Pressure Pin 2 GY/BR Backup Light Pin 4 GY/BR Backup Light Pin 5 BK/PU Tach Pin 6 YW Starter Pin 7 BK 12V to Coil Pin 10 GREEN Heater Blower Pin 11 GREEN Heater Blower Pin 12 BK/RD Supplementary Air Valve From Post 2: Here's what my schematic says: Pin 1 YW Starter Pin 2 BL Alternator Light Pin 3 GY/BR Backup Light Pin 4 GY/BR Backup Light Pin 5 GR/RD Oil Pressure Pin 7 BK/PU Tach Pin 8 BK 12V to Coil Pin 9 GR/WH Heater Blower Switch Pin 10 BR Ground Pin 11 GR Heater Blower Pin 12 RD Battery Pin 13 BK/RD Fuel Pump Pin 14 RD Battery |
IronHillRestorations |
Jun 29 2010, 06:14 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,731 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
You need to source a salvaged 12 pin female connector body. It would be really easy for two of those connectors to make contact and potentially start a fire. Most of the connections wouldn't cause problems, but if a hot wire shorted out, you'd have trouble.
Getting the smoke back in the wire is the really hard part! |
detoxcowboy |
Jun 29 2010, 08:26 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,294 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 8,642 Region Association: Africa |
http://bowlsby.net/914/WiringHarnesses/ at the near bottom of the above link you can click into your specific harness and get a diagram.. or just buy another new ot have your repaired, .. |
type47 |
Jun 29 2010, 09:27 AM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
These are pix of the 14 pin connector. I can't find a part number in the PET. The 12 pin is similar. There is also an "U" shaped clamp that goes over the wires and fits into the relay board.
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enikolayev |
Jun 29 2010, 01:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
Alright i've got all of the schematics from pelican and will try to source these plastic connectors. Thanks for the help!
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JeffBowlsby |
Jun 29 2010, 01:56 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,533 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
I have an extra 14-pin connector housing (no contacts) available if you need it. $15. shipped to you.
Sorry, I have no extra 12-pin connector housings. http://bowlsby.net/914/PartsFS/ Attached image(s) |
Spoke |
Jun 29 2010, 07:47 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,991 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
I've got an extra 12 pin connector if you need it. Don't have the plastic safety clip though.
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enikolayev |
Jun 30 2010, 09:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
The WTB thread proved fruitful. I've got the parts on the way.
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enikolayev |
Jul 1 2010, 03:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 18-November 07 From: Gulfport, MS Member No.: 8,349 Region Association: South East States |
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type47 |
Jul 1 2010, 03:51 PM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
My first guess was for the double relay since you said it was a 1.8 but that would be located under the battery tray so since you said it was under the seat, it is the seat belt interlock. There was an arrangement so that if someone was in the seat (either one), the car would not start without the seat belt buckled. Another part is a coiled wire going to each seat cushion for a "butt" sensor to tell if someones butt was in the seat.
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windforfun |
Jul 1 2010, 03:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,837 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Blackhawk, CA Member No.: 8,476 Region Association: None |
Do you have wiring diagrams for the car? They are available.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Jul 1 2010, 04:18 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
While i wait for the parts, could you guys help me make sense of these plugs? About 70% of the wires leading to the plug and relay are either ripped off or were removed and isolated by the po. I believe they went under the passengers seat. See those 2 fat yellow wires connected together? THAT'S the fix, and the only ones you have to worry about. The Cap'n |
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