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how to avoid needing rear flares, for v8 or suby powered 914 |
jimkelly |
Oct 31 2010, 07:19 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
on a narrow body 914 with a V8 or suby - there is a ton of room between engine and rear trailing arm - i wonder if anyone widened the swing arm and moved the inner trailing arm mount inward a few inches?
note that longer pivot shafts would be needed and custom axles too. Attached image(s) |
jaxdream |
Oct 31 2010, 07:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 974 Joined: 8-July 08 From: North Central Tennessee Member No.: 9,270 Region Association: South East States |
Aside from relocating the inner swingarm piviot , one would have to shorten the axles , relocate the upper strut / shock mount , consider the location of the brake line mount that is just above the motor mount that is in relation to the swing arm.Determine if it will impact the heat exchangers , if used , probably a lot more that others more versed in chassis mods that I missed.
All in all a good question you have there Jim. Jack / Jaxdream |
J P Stein |
Oct 31 2010, 08:08 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
The problem is the space allowed between the inner & outer fender walls......there is about 9-10 inches there, usually less on one side. A half inch clearance is needed on either side of the tire, IMO......I had 3/4 inch clearance static to the inner fender & ended up with black streaks on it (an extreme case, addmittedly). When lowering the car to a decent ride height the space becomes even less.
I couldn't come up with any alternative to going out. It may have looked better with paint....never got there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Attached image(s) |
Hontec |
Oct 31 2010, 08:14 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
The problem is the space allowed between the inner & outer fender walls......there is about 9-10 inches there, usually less on one side. A half inch clearance is needed on either side of the tire, IMO......I had 3/4 inch clearance static to the inner fender & ended up with black streaks on it (an extreme case, addmittedly). When lowering the car to a decent ride height the space becomes even less. I couldn't come up with any alternative to going out. It may have looked better with paint....never got there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) don't mean to hijack, but those flares look really good! Which are those? |
J P Stein |
Oct 31 2010, 10:26 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
The problem is the space allowed between the inner & outer fender walls......there is about 9-10 inches there, usually less on one side. A half inch clearance is needed on either side of the tire, IMO......I had 3/4 inch clearance static to the inner fender & ended up with black streaks on it (an extreme case, addmittedly). When lowering the car to a decent ride height the space becomes even less. I couldn't come up with any alternative to going out. It may have looked better with paint....never got there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) don't mean to hijack, but those flares look really good! Which are those? They are "hammer & dolly" flares. They are free, moneywise .....you pay for them with pain...in the ass & hands. I was younger then........ The fronts are still there. They look OK with paint Attached thumbnail(s) |
sean_v8_914 |
Oct 31 2010, 10:38 AM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
"how to avoid needing rear flares, for v8 or suby powered 914..."
drive slower |
Hontec |
Oct 31 2010, 11:07 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
They are "hammer & dolly" flares. They are free, moneywise .....you pay for them with pain...in the ass & hands. I was younger then........ The fronts are still there. They look OK with paint Nice work, I can imagine that takes blood,sweat and tears....looks really good, front wheels are pretty wide! |
Steve |
Oct 31 2010, 12:28 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,606 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
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Chris Hamilton |
Oct 31 2010, 12:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 |
If I don't run any spacers on my car the tires also rub a bit on the inside of the fenderwell where the 914 stiffening kit is welded in, so you'd have to cut out that part of the rear frame and move it inwards. Not to mention the track would end up being a bit narrow.
You can see it a bit at the top of this picture: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/hamiltonracing.net-5687-1288551488.1.jpg) |
SirAndy |
Oct 31 2010, 01:08 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
The problem is the space allowed between the inner & outer fender walls...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The problem really is how much rubber you can fit between your fender walls, not the location of the trailing arm. On a stock body car, that space is less than 9" ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
pktzygt |
Oct 31 2010, 07:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 20-March 07 From: Chesapeake, VA Member No.: 7,611 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Sounds like somebody is having regrets on not jumping in on the AA flare group buy. J/K
I know some people don't like fares, but I can't wait to get mine on. One project at a time though. But now you got like 30 guys trying to thing of ways the fabricate a sturdy inner mount for the trailing arm. I'm curious if anyone tries this. |
jimkelly |
Nov 1 2010, 06:12 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
hindsight is 20/20
flares - while they have the agressive look - no hiding THAT : ) are clearly the straight forward way to accomodate wider rubber. thanks jim i will just drive slower : ) |
J P Stein |
Nov 1 2010, 06:22 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
But now you got like 30 guys trying to thing of ways the fabricate a sturdy inner mount for the trailing arm. I'm curious if anyone tries this. Sturdier mounts is not a bad idea. The old stock jobbies are none too stout and fail with some regularity. If you go the fat tire, big HP route, they should be inspected regularly for cracking. On race cars they should be strengthened. Attached thumbnail(s) |
ChrisFoley |
Nov 1 2010, 07:51 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,934 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
But now you got like 30 guys trying to thing of ways the fabricate a sturdy inner mount for the trailing arm. I'm curious if anyone tries this. Lots of hot rod guys put wide tires under stock fenders. They call it Pro Street. The existing inner fenders would need to be cut out and the shock tower moved inward. I already have all the pieces required to narrow the rear pickup points. My raised suspension kit could easily be adapted to the job and standard length pivot shafts could still be used. Stock axles could be kept if the trailing arms were modified and wheels with greater backspacing were installed. |
J P Stein |
Nov 1 2010, 09:27 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Lots of hot rod guys put wide tires under stock fenders. They call it Pro Street. The existing inner fenders would need to be cut out and the shock tower moved inward. I already have all the pieces required to narrow the rear pickup points. My raised suspension kit could easily be adapted to the job and standard length pivot shafts could still be used. Stock axles could be kept if the trailing arms were modified and wheels with greater backspacing were installed. What, are you shopping for work? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'm sure you could pull it off. Here's a pic of the area.....with a nice black rub mark giving some idea of the effected area. (there is nearly 3/4 inch clearance there to the tire...got carried away with low tire pressures.... ONCE. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) The area would need a whole of cutting...all structure. Were I to contemplate actually doing this, a rear tube frame and do away with them GD arms all together would get my vote. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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