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> Need a little help- 914 project., Hell Hole- repair or walk?
C.Plavan
post Jan 1 2011, 01:11 PM
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I'm a 914 newbie, but not a 911 newb. I was going to buy this car for a race car project. I showed the pictures to a fellow 914 racer and he had some concerns about the Hell Hole area. I figured I could just weld over the spot to strengthen, but from what I understand it could be more than just the hole that shows damage.
So after doing some more research, I'm even more concerned.

I asked the seller to send me more pictures of this area from the top, bottom, and from the wheel well area.
Just looking for some more guidance, should I pass on it and look for a different car? I'm thinking it may not be worth the headache. Your thoughts?

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post Jan 1 2011, 01:45 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) more experienced people will chime in soon but yes thats your suspension "long" thats rusting out there. as for your question, let me ask this:
does the asking price reflect the repair needed to this area?
if not, walk away. whether YOU do it or not it will need to be done at some point. i agree you will want more pics. someone might be in the area to actually go see the car for you. Good luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jan 1 2011, 01:45 PM
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You California peoples get all the good cars !! I can only wish that my car was in that good of shape... Hell hole repair parts are easily available with new stampings.
I'm not sure which way i'd go as far as patching it or cutting out more and replacing it.. Your damage is really simple compared to what I have on my car..
My $0.02 + exchage would be to get it and fix it up
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post Jan 1 2011, 01:46 PM
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California Car? How was it stored? Empty lot? Or a driver than has not been attened too? Anyways from the picture it could just be a hole in the first and very common area to get affected. The engine shelf piece that welds in will replaace that area nicely and cost about $130; no big deal if that is all it is. My 74 California car had the same replacement, did not have a hole in the hell hole when I bought it ; but upon poking around in that same area I found it was paper thin ( I could actually poke holes in it with my screw driver) and was ready to be replaced. For this reason I suggest to investigate in person (ready to get dirty) as pics can lie as to the actual condition of the metal, surface rust my ass.....; or sometinmes just clean ups nice..
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post Jan 1 2011, 01:53 PM
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Really depends how bad it is below that. that is the topside of the longitude. How is it below? Is the jackpost still there? Is it solid? With that big a rust hole I would think there is a hole below & some more damage. You never know though. Any pics of the long from the side & below?

How much are they asking? What is included?
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post Jan 1 2011, 01:54 PM
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On further inspection of your pic, where is the engine shelf piece I mentioned, it is missing...battery tray? That piece missing would included the hole area as well but as 74 So Cal stated... the piece will but up to your longitudinal which seems to be fine or very slightly rusted at the edge hole area/engine shelf, still not a bad situation at all..

The rep[lacement piece for that area is pictured below so you can get an Idea what is affected on yur car or not..

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post Jan 1 2011, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(JRust @ Jan 1 2011, 11:53 AM) *

Really depends how bad it is below that. that is the topside of the longitude. How is it below? Is the jackpost still there? Is it solid? With that big a rust hole I would think there is a hole below & some more damage. You never know though. Any pics of the long from the side & below?

How much are they asking? What is included?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) What is below the hole area is most important and why I suggest investigation in person.
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:00 PM
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Here is a better close up picture.

The car was stored inside since 2003 ish. Cost of repair was not considered at the time. It is a CA car. Its a 1973 roller with side shift trans (condition unknown), no hood or rear decklid, no seats or any interior.
What would you experienced guys know off the price if it could be repaired? (Waiting on more detailed pictures)
I'm just concerned it goes down into the rocker and more.

Thanks for the info.
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:03 PM
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That damage is nothing! If the car is cheap enough all you need is a small patch and a new engine shelf. I see that they bracketed it for swing arm triangulation, that is good.


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I'm a 914 newbie, but not a 911 newb. I was going to buy this car for a race car project. I showed the pictures to a fellow 914 racer and he had some concerns about the Hell Hole area. I figured I could just weld over the spot to strengthen, but from what I understand it could be more than just the hole that shows damage.
So after doing some more research, I'm even more concerned.

I asked the seller to send me more pictures of this area from the top, bottom, and from the wheel well area.
Just looking for some more guidance, should I pass on it and look for a different car? I'm thinking it may not be worth the headache. Your thoughts?

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post Jan 1 2011, 02:06 PM
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That alone is not a show stopper.....IF the of the area passes the screwdriver test.
There are other spots (they'd fill a book) that go to hell and you should get someone that knows them to look/ screwdriver test the car.

The fire wall joint with the floor pan looks shakey also.
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:06 PM
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DR. Auto Atlanta can provide all the replacement parts you would need though he did not mention it. Your not in bad shape at all. Californing Car and Storage inside since 2003 is all very very good sighns of limited damage..
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:14 PM
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It has new floor pans, but notice the cut and welding. Seems OK.


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post Jan 1 2011, 02:18 PM
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the lower area circled i am not sure of. Looks like some bondo or fiberglass there. That makes me think it may have quite a bit more rust below. Your best bet is to go see it in person & take something to poke in the questionable areas. If you find more rust I would recomend looking for something else. If this is your first 914. You are better off paying more for a good solid chassis. Unless you really like to weld & are good at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:27 PM
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Blow up your first pic and look at the edge of the firewallwhere it is supposed to hit the floor pan.
Your latest pic shows the forward side of a void (double wall) at the base of the firewall.
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:32 PM
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Right below the clevis on the firewall
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Jan 1 2011, 12:32 PM) *

Right below the clevis on the firewall


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I think this is what you are looking for..... And I think I see what you mean....

Is that fiberglass on the other picture?
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post Jan 1 2011, 02:58 PM
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There is a piece missing there, the doughnut bracket....just below the thermostat.
I don't have a good pic of the area but the snot doesn't belong there...best pic I got. I'm sure someone does...help the man out, eh?


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post Jan 1 2011, 04:55 PM
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More pictures. Owner says he did a screwdriver test.... I do not like that bondo crap.
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