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yeahmag
post Jan 27 2011, 01:28 PM
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Been helping my friend fix up a '74 2.0 that came to us in boxes. After going through the shifter bushings I noticed that his stock shifter appears to be spring centered. Has anyone seen this before or is it just mine that isn't...?
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post Jan 27 2011, 01:30 PM
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I should say it "acts" like its spring centered... It returns to the 2-3 gear plane roughly centered.
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post Jan 27 2011, 01:57 PM
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All stock 914 shift levers are spring loaded at the base.

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post Jan 27 2011, 01:57 PM
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post Jan 27 2011, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 27 2011, 11:57 AM) *

All stock 914 shift levers are spring loaded at the base.

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) lines up right in between 2nd and 3rd uses 2 springs on a metal guide plate, this gives tension against the spring action when shifting into reverse or first..
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post Jan 27 2011, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(yeahmag @ Jan 27 2011, 02:28 PM) *

Been helping my friend fix up a '74 2.0 that came to us in boxes. After going through the shifter bushings I noticed that his stock shifter appears to be spring centered. Has anyone seen this before or is it just mine that isn't...?

Just one more thing for you to fix.
914 shifters all line up in the 2-3 gate.
They all have springs.
You can get the "weltmeister" upgraded springs...a bit stiffer to make it snap into that gate...but its really not a super snap.

There is also a bushing in there....so replace that when you redo your springs.

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post Jan 27 2011, 03:51 PM
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Sounded like he might have had one of the Seine Systems versions
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post Jan 27 2011, 04:12 PM
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What's under there.....Stock spring-large one...Weltmeister spring-small one...two more go where the holes are...one stock, one Weltmeister...the Weltmeister springs are supposed to help prevent hitting reverse when going into second....

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post Jan 27 2011, 04:38 PM
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Not sure... I'll pull it this weekend if I'm that curious. Mine does have the auto-reverse lock out, but his actually will center 2-3.

In other words if you pull it out of 4-5 it will center on 2-3. NOT just from R-1...
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post Jan 27 2011, 04:45 PM
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More important than the springs, which are more than adequate for the job, is the condition of the moving plate. They were wearing out when the cars were still in warranty, and there probably aren't a lot of cars out there with good ones. A competent weldor could repair one if they're NLA. Sometimes the shift lever itself is worn, too, and that's an easy fix for the same weldor.

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post Jan 27 2011, 04:49 PM
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Interesting. I'd love to see a good one vs. a worn one. I just looked up a Seine Systems shifter and its definitely not that. Almost makes me wonder if its hitting something. He replaced the vinyl fuel lines with Chris' SS lines... I wonder...
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post Jan 27 2011, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(jt914-6 @ Jan 27 2011, 04:12 PM) *

What's under there.....

Not a question.....a statement....under the plate with the cut out there is a bushing and spring....check the condition of the bushing and replace if worn.....what the hell....replace it anyway as it is not fun getting the shifter back together...another of one of those "while I'm in there"...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Jan 27 2011, 07:10 PM
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My shift lever was worn... not too hard a fix even for a non-competent welder (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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I have the budget 2-spring model (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 27 2011, 07:25 PM
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This is a worn out shifter plate.
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post Jan 27 2011, 07:28 PM
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Weltmeister / Automotion used to recommend the extra springs when installing the short shift kit. I had both and it helped allot to get rid of the issue of hitting reverse, however your right arm might get bigger due to the extra spring tension and no wise cracks I am left handed. I have sinced switched to a rennshift in case someone wants a complete shifter with the extra springs and short shifter.
I will put in the for sale section once I figure out a price.
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post Jan 27 2011, 07:40 PM
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This is a worn out shifter plate


Geeeez Mark... couldn't ya clean that old grease off there before you took that picture? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 27 2011, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jan 27 2011, 05:40 PM) *

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This is a worn out shifter plate


Geeeez Mark... couldn't ya clean that old grease off there before you took that picture? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

DITTO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jan 27 2011, 08:01 PM
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Funny I just happened upon one of those secondary spring kits while rooting through my boxes.
IIRC you had to drill through the sliding plate and that sucker is hardened. In fact I think they provided a drill bit with the kit~?
I think that is the reason it was still in a box.
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post Jan 27 2011, 08:44 PM
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Yes they provided a drill bit....wasn't much...had to use better one....and yes the sliding plate is hard as hell...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Jan 27 2011, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(Steve @ Jan 27 2011, 05:28 PM) *

Weltmeister / Automotion used to recommend the extra springs when installing the short shift kit. I had both and it helped allot to get rid of the issue of hitting reverse, however your right arm might get bigger due to the extra spring tension and no wise cracks I am left handed. I have sinced switched to a rennshift in case someone wants a complete shifter with the extra springs and short shifter.
I will put in the for sale section once I figure out a price.

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