 Need help getting my fuel tank out - thanks, nothing more money couldn't cure... |
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| moparrob |
 Oct 16 2011, 03:30 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None  |
The prior owner of my car tried to coat the fuel tank in my 1974 914 but it ended up flaking off. I didn't feel like messing with trying to remove the coating so I ended up looking for another tank.
Thanks to fellow member Bruce Stone (bdstone914) I now have a usable fuel tank which I need to install. The problem I am now facing is how to get the old fuel lines off and remove the tank. The problem is how to get to those hose clamps given the lack of space. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i954.photobucket.com-11663-1318800639.1.jpg) I'm also concerned about getting them re-attached properly when the new tank goes in. So are there any tricks to doing this? I tried to lift the tank partway up to get to the lines but it felt like the lines were holding it in place. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. |
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| Tom |
Oct 16 2011, 03:38 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
Rob,
Might be able to get a small 1/4" socket + ratchet in there. I know one size fits those hose clamp screws, not sure which one. Tom |
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| sfrenck |
Oct 16 2011, 03:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-February 10 From: Wilmington, DE Member No.: 11,411 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Could you lift the tank up a bit first so you have more room to work?
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| rjames |
Oct 16 2011, 03:48 PM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 4,447 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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If you aren't going to reuse the lines, just cut 'em.
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| swl |
Oct 16 2011, 04:24 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
he had to get it in there somehow. Most likely there is enough slack that you can pull up one end to access the bottom.
Generally those hose clamps are not recommended for fuel hoses. Might not be the case with stainless braid. |
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| scotty b |
Oct 16 2011, 04:33 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
How much line is in the car body ? From the factory there is enough to pull the tank high enough to get to the clamps. Maybe whoever did this swap left enough line in there? Another option would be a crows foot to take the supply and return hard lines off of the tank, then you can pull the tank and get access to the flex lines
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| moparrob |
Oct 16 2011, 04:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(rjames @ Oct 16 2011, 02:48 PM)  If you aren't going to reuse the lines, just cut 'em. I would still have the problem on getting new lines installed if I just cut the old ones... |
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| sfrenck |
Oct 16 2011, 04:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-February 10 From: Wilmington, DE Member No.: 11,411 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(scotty b @ Oct 16 2011, 06:33 PM) How much line is in the car body ? From the factory there is enough to pull the tank high enough to get to the clamps. Maybe whoever did this swap left enough line in there? Another option would be a crows foot to take the supply and return hard lines off of the tank, then you can pull the tank and get access to the flex lines (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Has to be enough slack to lift the tank so you can get at the clamps from the top. |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Oct 16 2011, 04:40 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,927 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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If you have a set of small ignition wrenches you might be able to loosen the clamps enough to pull them off the tubes.
Make sure when you re-install the tank the clamps are oriented so you can get to them. |
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| moparrob |
Oct 16 2011, 05:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
Thanks Scotty - I'll check it out.
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| moparrob |
Oct 16 2011, 11:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
*SOLVED*
In the end brute force prevailed. Although I got one clamp off I could not get the other one. There was no way to get a wrench on it. I ended up cutting the lines. What a PITA. I broke my Dremel in the process so I had to go to the big guns - the die grinder with a cut off wheel. The tank came out easily then, but the PO left no extra fuel line so it would be the same problem installing it. I'm going to use some extra line when I re-install it so I can fasten the clamps before I install it. Thanks again for the input. |
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| StratPlayer |
Oct 17 2011, 02:55 PM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,361 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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Just make sure the extra fuel line doesn't kink when you install the tank....
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| Dave_Darling |
Oct 17 2011, 05:35 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,335 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(moparrob @ Oct 16 2011, 10:33 PM) I ended up cutting the lines. What a PITA. I broke my Dremel in the process... Whut? I used my Swiss Army Knife to cut the hoses! They should cut pretty easily, they're just rubber and fabric. I hope you didn't cut the metal fittings coming out the bottom of the tank! --DD |
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Oct 17 2011, 05:42 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 17 2011, 04:35 PM) QUOTE(moparrob @ Oct 16 2011, 10:33 PM) I ended up cutting the lines. What a PITA. I broke my Dremel in the process... Whut? I used my Swiss Army Knife to cut the hoses! They should cut pretty easily, they're just rubber and fabric. I hope you didn't cut the metal fittings coming out the bottom of the tank! --DD Uhhhhhh, Dave? You look at the picture? He's got those stupid SS braided bling covered hoses, the ones that don't fit properly and would leak anyway even if they did fit. And Strat Player's right, you have to leave just the right amount of slack so the hoses won't kink, and they have to be turned just right, too. It cost me a lot of money to find that out .................. The Cap'n |
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| ellisor3 |
Oct 17 2011, 06:25 PM
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HPWhore Group: Members Posts: 811 Joined: 23-October 08 From: Fleming Island, Florida Member No.: 9,683 Region Association: South East States |
While you have the tank out, I would recommend doing a few things:
1.) Check to see if the fuel strainer (sock) is in the tank and/or replace it. 2.) Clean out the tank with an old piece of chain 3.) Consider sealing the tank, with the right product to make sure you never get any rust in the system. Here is what I used, and it works great. http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm |
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| Dave_Darling |
Oct 17 2011, 08:39 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,335 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Oct 17 2011, 04:42 PM) Uhhhhhh, Dave? You look at the picture? He's got those .. SS braided .. covered hoses... Oh shoot! I totally missed that! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I guess I thought the metal braid was just fabric with funky lighting. Nevermind, then. --DD |
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| moparrob |
Oct 17 2011, 09:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
Naw, that stuff was a biotch to cut through. Now I need to find who sells replacement drive bands for Dremels - damn.
No, I didn't cut through the fittings. I had thought about the proper slack issue, so thanks for bringing that up. The funny thing is - now that I finally opened my original (resealed) tank up it looks pretty nice inside. I wish I had done that before I bought a used tank that is in worse condition than the original one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
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| bandjoey |
Oct 17 2011, 10:25 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,935 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Right-t-o
Cut the lines. Install new lines about 2 ft long for a gentle curl with the tank installed. While ur there replace the filter sock. Unscrew the big brass nut and pull the pipe out of the tank and add a new filter sock. And while ur there take out the plastic fuel lines and install Tangerines metal lines through the center tunnel to the motor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| bigkensteele |
Oct 17 2011, 10:59 PM
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Major Member Group: Members Posts: 2,200 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Oct 17 2011, 03:42 PM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 17 2011, 04:35 PM) QUOTE(moparrob @ Oct 16 2011, 10:33 PM) I ended up cutting the lines. What a PITA. I broke my Dremel in the process... Whut? I used my Swiss Army Knife to cut the hoses! They should cut pretty easily, they're just rubber and fabric. I hope you didn't cut the metal fittings coming out the bottom of the tank! --DD Uhhhhhh, Dave? You look at the picture? He's got those stupid SS braided bling covered hoses, the ones that don't fit properly and would leak anyway even if they did fit. And Strat Player's right, you have to leave just the right amount of slack so the hoses won't kink, and they have to be turned just right, too. It cost me a lot of money to find that out .................. The Cap'n I just put my tank back in tonight, and that is what I worry about. I used the nice german cloth weaved kit from AA, which I suppose is kind of stupid, since nobody will ever see it, but it was easy at $30. The kit said that the return line was supposed to be 450mm from the tunnel line to the tank. I can tell you without question that 450mm is far to short to have any shot at tightening the clamps from above. Maybe it would work below, but I don't know. I put a longer piece of hose on it so I could tighten it up above before I dropped the tank down, but now I have no way of knowing if I have kinked hoses down there. I guess I will find out when I fire it upl. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| moparrob |
Oct 17 2011, 11:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 27-April 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,663 Region Association: None |
So to hijack my own thread - if that is possible- what are my options for fuel line these days?
That stainless crap is out. I stabbed myself a dozen times trying to get those hoses off. Is there some benefit to the fabric/woven hoses over plain old Pep Boys fuel hose? |
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