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| Trekkor |
 Aug 16 2004, 10:36 PM
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I do things...  Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California  |
Here it is.
Make a choice, and then tell us all why you say so. Argue somewhere else. Make your point and move on, please. Thanks 914club! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) Trekkor |
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 16 2004, 10:38 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
I fell in love with an 2.4 MFI six (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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| anthony |
Aug 16 2004, 11:04 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218  |
In decreasing order of HP requirements:
I vote big six for over 200hp big four for around 150hp stockish 2L for around 100hp |
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| seanery |
Aug 16 2004, 11:06 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
I voted Mid Six, but really anything 2.2S and bigger is great!
But I'd buy a real six and leave it as is, well maybe 2.0 S pistons and E cams and be happy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| McMark |
Aug 16 2004, 11:14 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
A 2270 that is well built will put out enough horsepower to make a 914 an exciting daily driver without overpowering it. Small sixes are a ton of work for no HP gain, big sixes are expensive, and V8 are so overpowered that daily driving becomes a chore.
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| Steve |
Aug 16 2004, 11:45 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,606 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California 
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I voted big six.
The no hassle DME 3.2 is priceless over all. But I do miss my 2.7 with webers. The 2.7 was a direct bolt up with early stock flywheel and clutch. I also miss the awesome sound of the webers especially in the Alameda tunnel. But I don't miss the pulled head studs, clogged jets and tensioner problems. All but the carb hassle could of been fixed with a proper overhaul. The 3.2 motor cost me less money than over hauling the 2.7 and it already had all the updates with no carb hassles. At the time 3.6 motors were to much money and hassle. Cutting up the tin and major hassle to get to the bottom plugs turned me off. If or when my 3.2 dies I might look into a 3.6 since they have dropped in price... Steve |
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| Andyrew |
Aug 16 2004, 11:50 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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v8's for the cost of maintaining.... Parts are cheap, and everywhere..
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| 914Timo |
Aug 17 2004, 02:18 AM
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******* Group: Members Posts: 743 Joined: 13-January 03 From: Finland Member No.: 137 Region Association: Europe |
I suppose small six is 2.0 - 2.7 L, mid six is 3.0 - 3.2 L and big six is 3.6 L. Right ??
Then my choice is mid six (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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| Mueller |
Aug 17 2004, 03:14 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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i voted big /6.......no other logical choice when there is no budget contraint...well, at least with your poll it's an unlimited option (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| michel richard |
Aug 17 2004, 05:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,291 Joined: 22-July 03 From: Longueuil, Québec Member No.: 936 |
small six, with E or S or better cam, high compression, perhaps twin plugs, perhaps slightly stiffer valve springs, with appropriate gearing.
Will have good torque and will positively howl. Take it to 8K and enjoy. Michel Richard |
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| Jake Raby |
Aug 17 2004, 07:18 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Of course I voted Big Four.
Without a doubt run a 2270 or a 2316. The 2270 is good for no less than 145HP, and the 2316 is good for no less than 175HP. When you go bigger than these two engines, the only way to reliably do it is with a set of Nickies, then the build becomes a Superhero and is no longer affordable. I am really tired of the whole thing with which is the best way to go......... I gave up on the 914 market a long time ago, and now if I sell one for a 914 I consider it a freak thing. I have a buyer for the plans to 9 of my 914 engine combos and if things keep up I'll be selling them at the first of the year. The buyer is in Europe, where conversions are more trouble than they are worth, literally. |
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| machina |
Aug 17 2004, 07:37 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Aug 17 2004, 09:18 AM) now if I sell one for a 914 I consider it a freak thing I thought I was a freak, now I'm sure. dr (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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| iamchappy |
Aug 17 2004, 07:46 AM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
I voted big six, my reason is that I felt Porsche should of built the 914 with the same running gear and engines as they evolved in 911's, It was my dream back in the 70's that they would, and hoped Porsche would build a 914 turbo carrera. They didn't so I did.
I now have a a car that is easy and smooth and very drivable around town, yet can crank it up on demand. The 2.0 fours deliver a very nice smooth fun economical daily driving car which is great on the highway and I enjoyed driving one for 30 years, but it should of least had a six option throughout it's years of production. |
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| Eric_Shea |
Aug 17 2004, 08:38 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Add 90mm Euro RS P&C's (fairly inexpensive) to any 66mm 2.0 - 2.2 block. Rebush the rod ends to raise your compression back up (RS's were fairly low and even lower on a 66m crank). Install S-Cams and Webers and have fun with your 230hp 2.5 liter mid-six monster. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 17 2004, 08:41 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
my .02:
if you are wanting an engine for POWER... go Chebbie... if you want the sound of a six... go 3.0+ if you just want to get there quickly, and keep the car a classic cool(with still plenty of pep) go big 4 (2056, or 2270)... and get a Raby engine... me, personally, it would be a Raby or a Chevy... the 6 conversion would be something I would just want to do to say "I did it"... the Chevy will offer more power for less $$$, and the 4 is just plain cooler to me! |
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| Mark Henry |
Aug 17 2004, 08:45 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
A six may be neat but the price to do one right here will buy me 2 or 3 nice 914’s.
I love how the cali /6 guys brag about their 200.000mile maintaince free 3.0 or 3.2’s, but up here these engines still have stud issues. Not pulling, but rusting and breaking. The cost of a 3.0 or 3.2 engine, again up here, is around 10 to 15K (Canadian) depending if it’s a top end or rebuilt. By the time you add the conversion I may as well go buy a nice 911 and have 2 cars. I can rebuild a four or a six, as I’ve done both, but I’ll still do a four for myself, but that may be just because I’m a bug guy and I have always had fours Besides, I have a rather large penis and don’t have to prove anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| jporsche914 |
Aug 17 2004, 08:51 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 9-March 04 From: colorado, springs Member No.: 1,769 |
I am perfectally happy with my stock 1.7L. My car will go the speed limit and far beyond it and that is all a care about. But i have to say it would be fun to have about 160hp. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| Jake Raby |
Aug 17 2004, 09:05 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
A Nickies equipped four, with DLC coatings, new advancements and fine craftsmanship could stay with the six boys that brag about 200K miles. I have seen a TIV bottom end with 321K miles not even need an align bore!
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| theol00 |
Aug 17 2004, 09:07 AM
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Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 242 Joined: 22-January 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 1,586 |
Love my 2.2 with E cams and Webers - kick in the pant to drive and that sound...
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| PorscheTom |
Aug 17 2004, 09:19 AM
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Will work for an Avatar. Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 12-May 04 From: Shingletown, CA Member No.: 2,057 |
A big four gets my vote. Alot easier and cheaper to do than a six conversion for us nonengineer types. Considering the price of the six conversion, I'd probably buy a nice 911 Targa, keep my 914, and call it even. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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