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Weber IDA 3C Bookends? Seized Shafts |
mr914 |
Mar 4 2012, 03:46 PM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Picked up a 75 914-6 that has been sitting way too long at a body shop 8-10 years. As if I need another project like a hole in the head.
The body shop went bankrupt and the car went thru a couple of hands.... It has a laundry list of problems, including flintstone brakes, disassembled and seized webers. I picked it up for a really good price about the price of a factory oil tank. I'll cover the car in a different tread. The IDA3C shafts are seized on both carbs. I've pulled the carbs and manifolds to clean them up and have a few questions. 1) What is the best way to separate the manifolds from the carbs. I've removed the bolts and tried gently tapping on the manifold to break them loose. 2) Is there any hope/tricks for un-seizing the throttle shafts? Would immersion ultrasonic cleaning have any chance in freeing them? Thanks for your input |
McMark |
Mar 4 2012, 04:50 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Try tapping a razor blade in between the carb and manifold. Be careful to dig into the gasket and not the soft metals.
Ultrasonic cleaning could be a solution. Heating them in an oven could yield movement as well. A bath in PB Blaster isn't a bad idea either. I would suspect that you can be successful, but you could easily have a lot of time invested in freeing them. Take it slow and avoid any forcing. |
mr914 |
Mar 4 2012, 04:58 PM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Try tapping a razor blade in between the carb and manifold. Be careful to dig into the gasket and not the soft metals. Ultrasonic cleaning could be a solution. Heating them in an oven could yield movement as well. A bath in PB Blaster isn't a bad idea either. I would suspect that you can be successful, but you could easily have a lot of time invested in freeing them. Take it slow and avoid any forcing. I have been spraying them with PB Blaster for the past few days. Figured that once I get the manifolds off, I can imerse them in PB. Have to talk the wife into using the oven.... Somehow I don't think that will be too sucessful... |
larryM |
Mar 4 2012, 08:09 PM
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emoze Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 1-January 03 From: mid- California Member No.: 65 Region Association: Northern California |
send the whole lot to Mike Pierce at Pierce Manifolds in Gilroy, CA
- he will completely re-do them to perfection if ya have to ask the price, ya can't afford the car quote name='McMark' date='Mar 4 2012, 02:50 PM' post='1639055'] Try tapping a razor blade in between the carb and manifold. Be careful to dig into the gasket and not the soft metals. Ultrasonic cleaning could be a solution. Heating them in an oven could yield movement as well. A bath in PB Blaster isn't a bad idea either. I would suspect that you can be successful, but you could easily have a lot of time invested in freeing them. Take it slow and avoid any forcing. [/quote] |
mr914 |
Mar 5 2012, 11:02 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
send the whole lot to Mike Pierce at Pierce Manifolds in Gilroy, CA - he will completely re-do them to perfection if ya have to ask the price, ya can't afford the car Considering I bought it for donor/parts car pricing, Why would I spend big bucks on rebuilding a set of seized carbs versus taking a set of CIS injection off the shelf and converting to EFI. If I can free the shafts, then they may be rebuildable, otherwise they will make good bookends while fiddling with the other projects. First problem is seperating the manifolds from the carbs. Wife VETOED (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) the idea of using the oven. Once it gets warmer, I will fixture it up and try the heat gun. Any tricks to seperating the manifolds from the carbs? So far Razor blade and heat Besides, there are other problems... Yes, that is water in a cylnder head (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
mr914 |
Mar 5 2012, 11:06 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Flintstone brakes. Yes, that is a hole where the pedal cluster should be....
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jcambo7 |
Mar 5 2012, 11:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,664 Joined: 24-December 08 From: Graham, WA Member No.: 9,867 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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mr914 |
Mar 5 2012, 11:54 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Nice dash though... Getty Design. Turns out they still make them on a custom order basis. Owner back in the 80's had a custom stereo shop so they did some funky things to the car. Remote radar detectors in modified turn signal housing. 16 speakers, custom subwoofer in the center console. Too bad something happened at the body shop and the car got pushed out to the back yard of the shop with no windows or doors... Attached thumbnail(s) |
mskala |
Mar 5 2012, 12:58 PM
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R Group: Members Posts: 1,925 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 79 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Considering I bought it for donor/parts car pricing, Why would I spend big bucks on rebuilding a set of seized carbs versus taking a set of CIS injection off the shelf and converting to EFI. Take a look on the 911 bird board. You could sell them as-is for decent money. |
mr914 |
Mar 5 2012, 01:07 PM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
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Take a look on the 911 bird board. You could sell them as-is for decent money. [/quote] OK, that is a new one for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) What is the Bird Board? |
SLITS |
Mar 5 2012, 01:19 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
www.pelicanparts.com = "Bird Board" ... 911 section
How much do you want for them? |
mr914 |
Mar 5 2012, 01:26 PM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Ah, Pelican....
Never considered selling them. Have Linkages as well as watersheilds with K&Ns Figured they would make great looking bookends if I cant get them functional. Still evaluating the whole car situation, fix it, use it as a donor for another, or part it out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) As it is still in the 20's here in Michigan, I'm fiddling with the carbs in the comfort of the basement.... Garage time is coming.... |
IronHillRestorations |
Mar 5 2012, 07:40 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,724 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
You can get a 5 gallon bucket of Mac's carb dip from your local NAPA store. Last time I got one it was around $85. It smells like mothballs soaked in methanol, but it works. I use stainless tie wire to hang the carb in the bucket, close the lid and let it sit for a day or two. You won't believe what you pull out. Never stick your hand in it. It's very caustic and will melt the blue nitrile gloves, so be careful. Never dip anything in it with plastic that you want to keep.
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Jeffs9146 |
Mar 5 2012, 09:30 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
You can get a 5 gallon bucket of Mac's carb dip from your local NAPA store. Last time I got one it was around $85. It smells like mothballs soaked in methanol, but it works. I use stainless tie wire to hang the carb in the bucket, close the lid and let it sit for a day or two. You won't believe what you pull out. Never stick your hand in it. It's very caustic and will melt the blue nitrile gloves, so be careful. Never dip anything in it with plastic that you want to keep. Go down to your local Home Depot and get a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and fill it up with diesel, drop them in and close the lid for a few days! You will be surprised how easy they come appart! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
IronHillRestorations |
Mar 6 2012, 08:44 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,724 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
Diesel works really well too, but I haven't found anything that works like that carb dip.
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mr914 |
Mar 6 2012, 09:40 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
What about bio-diesel?
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Jeffs9146 |
Mar 6 2012, 10:03 AM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
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Eric_Shea |
Mar 6 2012, 10:22 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE Diesel works really well too, but I haven't found anything that works like that carb dip. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) If you're in a state that still sells it and, I believe Michigana is one of those that does, get that stuff. |
mr914 |
Mar 6 2012, 03:54 PM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Checked on the Mac's Carb Cleaner at NAPA.
Its recently been reformulated to reduce VOC's. It's a two layer chemical, the cleaner is in the bottom of the bucket and there is a rinse floating on top. Talked with one of the guys at the counter, the new formula does not work as well as the old version. Its specal order and a 5 gallon pails goes for $113 |
Jeffs9146 |
Mar 6 2012, 04:16 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
For $16-$17 you can get 4 gallons of Diesel!
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