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> Engine & Tranny mating, is my tranny dyslexic???
stephenaki
post May 23 2012, 08:08 AM
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Well, this go around the mating of the tranny and the motor just ain't cooperating. I licked it last time, see page 5 of this thread, but this time it keeps kicking my ass. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Anyone got any words of wisdom or tricks of the trade to make this go easier? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post May 23 2012, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(stephenaki @ May 23 2012, 06:08 AM) *

Well, this go around the mating of the tranny and the motor just ain't cooperating. I licked it last time, see page 5 of this thread, but this time it keeps kicking my ass. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Anyone got any words of wisdom or tricks of the trade to make this go easier? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)


Admin, please delete! I posted a new thread unintentionally!
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post May 23 2012, 10:38 AM
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Where is the old thread, then?

The main thing that has caused trouble for me in getting the engine and trans together is the input shaft splines. Putting the trans in gear, and then rotating the output flanges (the same direction as each other) will rotate the input shaft, which can help line the splines up to the splines in the clutch disk.

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post May 23 2012, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ May 23 2012, 08:38 AM) *

Where is the old thread, then?

The main thing that has caused trouble for me in getting the engine and trans together is the input shaft splines. Putting the trans in gear, and then rotating the output flanges (the same direction as each other) will rotate the input shaft, which can help line the splines up to the splines in the clutch disk.

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Dave,
I thought I had hit 'add reply' and inadvertently hit, 'new thread'! Dangit! Anyhoo, I think I did something similar before will give it another try tomorrow.
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post May 23 2012, 11:57 AM
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If you are having a hard time getting them to mate, try soft music and some alcohol.
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post May 23 2012, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(Cupomeat @ May 23 2012, 12:57 PM) *

If you are having a hard time getting them to mate, try soft music and some alcohol.
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) alcohol always helps me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)
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post May 24 2012, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(aharder @ May 23 2012, 12:19 PM) *

QUOTE(Cupomeat @ May 23 2012, 12:57 PM) *

If you are having a hard time getting them to mate, try soft music and some alcohol.
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) alcohol always helps me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)

Blah, blah, blah, blah... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I think I'LL TRY THE BEER INSTEAD! Suckers still giving me a headache! Been at it for about an hour, part of the problem is its hard to see what is going on.

Taking a break but she is hanging up on something, just not sure what. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Shoulda told the wife to pick me up some scotch while she was at Gebauers... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) I think I'll go and hunt down my surefire and see if that will shed enough light for me to see what the issue is. Frustrating as all hell!
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post May 24 2012, 09:45 AM
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A friend of mine with a 911 used to put dry ice on the trans input shaft to "shrink" it before mating it to the engine. This is similar to the techniques used to put the gears on the crank.

Seems a little out there to me but if you're going crazy might be worth a try.
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post May 24 2012, 09:47 AM
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make sure that the clutch is alighned properly with the tool maybe lossen it all up and center it again ?


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post May 24 2012, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(vwlurch @ May 24 2012, 08:47 AM) *

make sure that the clutch is alighned properly with the tool maybe lossen it all up and center it again ?


good luck

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Loosen the clutch pressure plate a bit and fit the transmission in place.
Take it apart and tighten the clutch plate. Then re-fit the transmission.

You may also check that the clutch disk is mounted in the right orientation. You can mount it the other way around and close everything.
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post May 24 2012, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(Valy @ May 24 2012, 10:20 AM) *

QUOTE(vwlurch @ May 24 2012, 08:47 AM) *

make sure that the clutch is alighned properly with the tool maybe lossen it all up and center it again ?


good luck

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Loosen the clutch pressure plate a bit and fit the transmission in place.
Take it apart and tighten the clutch plate. Then re-fit the transmission.

You may also check that the clutch disk is mounted in the right orientation. You can mount it the other way around and close everything.
Ask me how I know...

Yup, I just dealt with the same thing. Make sure the clutch alignment tool slides in and out without resistance. The first time I aligned it, it required a nice tug to come out. The second time I put the disc smack in the center where the tool freely moved without tugging, and wallah, mating season.
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post May 24 2012, 08:48 PM
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I never have an issue with this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post May 25 2012, 03:57 AM
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ May 24 2012, 06:48 PM) *

I never have an issue with this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Cause your a tranny god(dess) there mikey boy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post May 25 2012, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE(slothness @ May 24 2012, 04:20 PM) *

QUOTE(Valy @ May 24 2012, 10:20 AM) *

QUOTE(vwlurch @ May 24 2012, 08:47 AM) *

make sure that the clutch is alighned properly with the tool maybe lossen it all up and center it again ?


good luck

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Loosen the clutch pressure plate a bit and fit the transmission in place.
Take it apart and tighten the clutch plate. Then re-fit the transmission.

You may also check that the clutch disk is mounted in the right orientation. You can mount it the other way around and close everything.
Ask me how I know...

Yup, I just dealt with the same thing. Make sure the clutch alignment tool slides in and out without resistance. The first time I aligned it, it required a nice tug to come out. The second time I put the disc smack in the center where the tool freely moved without tugging, and wallah, mating season.


Sounds like I may have done the same thing as the alignment tool does not slide in easily. Will tackle that first and see what happens, thanks for all the recommendations gents. And Mike, you don't get to comment, you can probably do this shit in your sleep! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)
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post May 25 2012, 04:49 AM
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OK, so I pulled the pressure plate and the clutch disc off. Took the disc and lined it up, snout facing the transmission, and she won't go on. Flipped the disc, snout facing the motor, and she slides on without a problem... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)

Ya can't mount the clutch disc with the snout towards the motor, physically impossible so why in the hell won't she slide on with the disc aligned properly? Am I missing something? I did this before so why in the hell is it not working now??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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post May 25 2012, 03:10 PM
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Did you slide just the disk on the main shaft? Maybe it's boogered up?
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post May 25 2012, 04:05 PM
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Do you have any recent picks of the disk? The only one I found was from your progress thread in 2008 and it kinda looks like the snout is facing toward the engine.

Fortunately I had a new clutch which stated engine side and trans side so there was no possibility for a mix up.

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post May 25 2012, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(stephenaki @ May 25 2012, 03:49 AM) *

OK, so I pulled the pressure plate and the clutch disc off. Took the disc and lined it up, snout facing the transmission, and she won't go on. Flipped the disc, snout facing the motor, and she slides on without a problem... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)

Ya can't mount the clutch disc with the snout towards the motor, physically impossible so why in the hell won't she slide on with the disc aligned properly? Am I missing something? I did this before so why in the hell is it not working now??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

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Here is a pic of how the clutch plate looks in place:

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The "snout" that he speaks of must point outward (away from the engine), it cannot be turned around or you would never get the pressure plate on..

So the clutch plate needs to be able to slide smoothly over the tranny spindle when it is all disassembled with the "snout" facing towards the tranny.

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Troubleshooting: step by step

Remove the clutch disk

Try placing the clutch disk onto the tranny shaft. If it doesn't go on easily, you may have a wrong clutch disk assembly with the wrong spline spacing. Not the first time that's happened and rebuilding facilities sometimes use the wrong core and rivet on new clutch material.

Can you shove the alignment tool into the center opening in the clutch disk in the orientation shown in the pic ? Should have the same same success/failure as the tranny shaft.

If you can easily fit the clutch disk onto the tranny shaft but can't fit the alignment tool far enough into the flywheel hole, your problem is there.

Hope that helps
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