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What Relay Goes Here? |
tomeric914 |
Jul 19 2012, 09:21 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States |
I'm guessing that it's for an intermittent wiper relay because it ties into the wiper motor and the wiper stalk has 4 positions including off. One position currently does nothing. This is on a '74 914.
If it is for the intermittent relay, what is the part number? Wait, I might have found it. Is it 111 955 531? |
JeffBowlsby |
Jul 20 2012, 05:35 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,706 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Thats the factory woper delay relay.
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tomeric914 |
Jul 20 2012, 08:10 AM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States |
Thanks for confirming Jeff.
There are a number of options for intermittent relays, some more expensive than others. I found the 191 955 531 from RockAuto for roughly $5. The 357 955 531 has the programmable delay. From http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Wiper_Variable_intermittent Various part numbers have been put forward as replacements. Obtaining new relays is possible but the majority can be found from the local breakers yard: Beru: 0 900 301 082 Kostal: 377 955 531 Bosch: 0 986 335 058 VW: 3B0955531 ................. has 197 printed on the top, info from Audi/VW dealer - replaces VW: 357 955 531 (type 99 below) www.gsfcarparts.com pt no 93610 OPEL 12 38 550 SAAB 85 53 463 VW 191 955 531 ................. believed to be the standard type 19 relay VW 357 955 531 ................. the type 99 relay VW 321 955 531 A ............... (sourced one from theairflowmetercompany on ebay and it didnt do anything different, had no VW logo, just part number and circuit diagram printed on it, possibly a duff clone) LIEBHERR 1 001 443 3 JOHN DEERE AZ 49 989 HAKO 90-35730-2 KRAMER 100 010 51 46 HYMER 0416073 Hella 5WG 003 620-021 Use these part numbers at your own risk! Some certainly aren't quite the correct relays, some are!! |
siverson |
Jul 20 2012, 10:46 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,451 Joined: 5-May 03 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 654 Region Association: Southern California |
> Thats the factory wiper delay relay.
What? Really? How am I on these boards for 20+ years and still learning new things about these cars. I've never heard of such a 914 option... -Steve |
SirAndy |
Jul 20 2012, 11:27 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,854 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
> Thats the factory wiper delay relay. What? Really? How am I on these boards for 20+ years and still learning new things about these cars. I've never heard of such a 914 option... Yepp, factory option from '74 onward ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
Dave_Darling |
Jul 20 2012, 01:12 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,051 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Factory electrical diagram calls it the "flick-wipe system", if I recall correctly.
--DD |
walterolin |
Jul 20 2012, 02:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 685 Joined: 30-November 11 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 13,838 Region Association: South East States |
In somewhat the same vein as "flick wipe", the Haynes manual at page 149 lists an electrical component (part # 22) called the "Transistor revolution counter". Measures the rate of rotation of your transistors, I suspect.
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Dr Evil |
Jul 20 2012, 04:10 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,032 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I am still learning stuff, too. Never knew about this one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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tomeric914 |
Jul 21 2012, 10:51 AM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States |
I went to the local pick-n-pull this morning in search of an early 90's Golf or Jetta to snag a wiper relay from. No luck with any of the VW or Audis there, BUT what did I come across but a '77 924! I opened the door and laying on the drivers side floor was a 111 955 531! Truly a needle in a haystack.
Got home, plugged in the relay and success! The wipers now return to the park position AND I have the "Flick-Wipe" intermittent system! Relay cost... $2. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) |
mrbubblehead |
Jul 21 2012, 11:24 AM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
so what does the flick a wipe do exactly?
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JeffBowlsby |
Jul 21 2012, 01:21 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,706 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
I have these wiper delay harnesses available for $60./each if anyone is interested. I build them from 100% new parts using correct color coded wires to match the factory original.
I also have a couple used factory original harnesses available, and a couple of the special relays. See my harness website for details or contact me directly: http://bowlsby.net/914/WiringHarnesses/ Attached image(s) |
tomeric914 |
Jul 21 2012, 02:41 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States |
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mrbubblehead |
Jul 21 2012, 02:45 PM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
so what does the flick a wipe do exactly? It's the intermittent wipe function. With the relay I have, it's a fixed interval. If you upgrade to the 3B0 955 531 (replaces VW: 357 955 531), you get the adjustable delay. how do you control the delay? |
tomeric914 |
Jul 21 2012, 05:53 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States |
how do you control the delay? The delay is controlled very mid 80's Germanesque. 1. Move the wipe lever to intermittent 2. Keep the lever in position for the desired interval 3. Move the wipe lever to the off position 4. Move the lever back to the intermittent position and leave it there. Wipers will now operate on the interval you have just defined. |
mrbubblehead |
Jul 21 2012, 06:23 PM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
hmmm??? my car is a 74 also, and i dont have a relay. mine appears to be wired directly to the switch. and i couldnt find a relay in the wireing diagram either. it would be easy enuff to wire one in though.
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Dave_Darling |
Jul 21 2012, 06:27 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,051 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The diagram is an extra page that isn't included in Haynes or on Pelican.
--DD |
mrbubblehead |
Jul 21 2012, 06:34 PM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
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SirAndy |
Jul 21 2012, 07:10 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,854 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
i couldnt find a relay in the wireing diagram either. I'm not surprised since it was optional equipment. Not just the relay, but the whole harness with the socket was optional. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) PS: I have mounted the stock harness in my car, and if i recall correctly, the wire for the trigger is in the main harness but taped up somewhere near the drivers side air flap behind the brake fluid reservoir. The other wires from the harness go in line with the wiper motor connections. It's pretty much plug & play to install. |
tomeric914 |
Jul 21 2012, 09:45 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States |
it would be easy enuff to wire one in though. Yes, just buy Bowlsby's relay harness http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1712722 |
Dave_Darling |
Jul 21 2012, 10:04 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,051 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
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