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> Battled with a Boxter last night
ChrisReale
post Oct 28 2004, 09:15 PM
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held the curves, but he got me once the road got straight. I couldnt help but say to myself "If I had a 3.2/6, I would have shit all over him" Oh well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 28 2004, 09:29 PM
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post Oct 28 2004, 09:40 PM
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post Oct 28 2004, 09:41 PM
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Played with some of them at a PIR DE last year......dogmeat.
A Boxster S or 996 cab (who can tell the difference?) was a bit tougher. Had to back off & get a run at em' outta turn 12.......then eat em' up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That was my first & prolly last DE....gettin' to old fer that stuff.
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post Oct 28 2004, 09:51 PM
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Just know your car costs less then a quarter of a new boxster, and most importantly a 914 is a unique shape in today's world.
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post Oct 28 2004, 10:09 PM
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Jake will tell you, he can take your four and make it MASSIVE enough to take on that boxster. Probably cost a lot less than a conversion.
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post Oct 29 2004, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(bob91403 @ Oct 28 2004, 08:09 PM)
Jake will tell you he can take your four and make it MASSIVE enough to take on that boxster. Probably cost a lot less than a conversion.

Ah, but can he take on a conversion for less than the cost of a conversion?
I'd sign up for another DE day to prove he can't.
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post Oct 29 2004, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(bob91403 @ Oct 28 2004, 08:09 PM)
Jake will tell you he can take your four and make it MASSIVE enough to take on that boxster. Probably cost a lot less than a conversion.

Since I have both a Boxster S and a 914 I'll comment.....

The 914 handles a little better IMHO, maily because it's lighter and more direct (and my 914 is basically stock). The Boxster has a much nicer engine though. That TypeIV, no matter how much power it produces is just not the same as the Flat 6. Especially at 7200RPM.

I like them both. It's funny, people at work wonder why I have the 'nice car' (Boxster), and still drive the 914 to work some days. I think of the cars as equals, even though the Boxster cost 10 times what I paid for the 914. Hmmm.... seems kinda stupid when I put it that way.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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post Oct 29 2004, 01:11 AM
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after our talk at dave's, it's good to see you roading the car again chris.

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post Oct 29 2004, 01:14 AM
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Vintage & Voluptuous !

I would say..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Good- Call keeping the Teener too....

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post Oct 29 2004, 01:36 AM
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I can hum right up to around 8,300 RPM with my 2316, she is still makin power at 7,200...

You guys are on the wrong coast to be challenging me, don't make me come spank your asses in the Bug!

I'm workin on the site tonight and found some HP numbers for the sixes- pretty sad..

2.4 "e" 165hp@6200 151@4500
I equal that with a 9.5:1 2270 and make my torque 500 revs less (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif)

2.7 "S" us-49 state 165@5800 176@4000
I spank that with a 9:1 2316 by 8 HP and 2 lb/ft of torque (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif)

3.0 911sc us-49 state 180@5500 175@4200
My 2316 "Annihilator" beats that by 1HPand achieves it 800 RPM later and I beat it on torque by 5 lb/ft as well.. at only 10:1 static CR. My newer version of that engine will totally kill this puppy as it will produce about 15HP more and touch 8,500 easily. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif)

3.2 911 us 207@5900 192@4800
I have that one in the bag with a 9:1 2563 and make my torque 600 RPM lower and my HP 200 RPM higher.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif)

And the absolute worst one of the day is this one..

3.6 11.3 250@6100 228@4800

The 3.OH is gonna suck this one down its 52mm throttle bodies and expel it from its 2-1/4" exhaust.....At only 10:1 I should make 260-280 ponies and 240 lb/ft of torque....

I'll be doing product testing on this one sometime in Spring 2005 and that includes a trip to somewhere in Cali just to prove I can drive it cross country...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif)

Don't make me come do a 4th gear burnout in your driveway- In my bug... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif)

As far as doing it on cost... I have an unlimited supply of used shit laying around that could make any of these engines a possibility for less than 1,000.00 out of pocket, and thats just for the heads....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif)
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post Oct 29 2004, 02:05 AM
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Thanks, Jake. I knew you could slap some of the silly shit out of these sixerphiles. As I have said, I have complete faith in you. Most fools have no idea what the Type IV is truly capable of. When I get a rebuild, it's going to you. When you come out to Cali please stop by, I want to buy you a beer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
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post Oct 29 2004, 02:12 AM
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I notice you compare your hot rod motors with stock 6s and convenietly leave things like the 2.4L S (190 hp)motor and the 2.7L RS(210 hp) motor out.....then there's the euro 3.0 (201 hp) & 3.2L (231 hp)....US 3.2 (217 hp)
I read of 6 cyl 2.5L race motors making over 300 hp.......but maybe those guys have a dyno like yours.

Wayne Bakers IMSA race motor.....2.2L, t-4.. made about 220 hp back in the 70s. I'm sure you've got that beat. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif)
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post Oct 29 2004, 03:33 AM
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almost all the people that i talk to that have boxsters (not really that many)
don't even know what a 914 is !!!!!!
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post Oct 29 2004, 03:45 AM
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A truism. Boxster owners don't know anything. That's why they own a boxster. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 29 2004, 06:41 AM
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Please give me a break! I own, drive and enjoy both a Boxster and 914. I have also owned 3 911s (84 cab, 95 993 and 96 C4S). (By the way, the current Boxster is the second Boxster). The Boxster and 914 are very similar, each has it good points and limits. I wouldn't dream of driving the 914 in the winter (here in MA). I drive the Boxster when ever I want. The Boxster has cold AC and a nice CD player. The Boxster's ride is firm but comfortable. The 914 has none of these things - but on a nice summer day (once its back together) the Boxster will probably remain in the garage. I enjoy the simplicity and purity of the 914. It is the antithesis of the poser car. Basically, the 914 says: this is me and I don't give a damn what you think (or think you know) about me or my ride. So, lay off the Boxster cracks. Kinda reminds me of the "Porscha" jerks in PCA who believe "if it ain't a "fill in the blank" it ain't a Porscha. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Oct 29 2004, 07:10 AM
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You've got the advantage of owning and appreciating both. I agree, the boxster has it's merits. But, it's also quite common for boxster owners not to know their history, and where they came from.
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:02 AM
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Sure I leave the RS spec engines out... How many guys do you see swapping RS spec engines into 914s??

It was a simple comparison...

BTW these engines I'm comparing are STREET engines with about the same CR as the comparable 911 engines..

Now if you really wanna get pissed I'll post a graph from a F production 1800 engine that makes 183HP at 14:1....

OR a 12.6:1 2316 set up for autocross that makes 231 Ponies......
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:02 AM
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The figures Jake posted are realistic for the conversions most guys are doing in their 914s, at least I think so. How many guys are putting in IMSA spec, RS, RSR spec engines in their sixes? I think we just need Jake so start messing around with sixes more and then he'll show them who's boss (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

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post Oct 29 2004, 08:04 AM
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Nah, too many cylinders and too heavy and cost too much to trick into big power. I'll keep my little ole four program going and stick to rebuilding 911 engines only to stock specs...
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