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Can the oil filter housing be removed with the engine in the car? |
tornik550 |
Aug 21 2013, 01:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,248 Joined: 29-January 07 From: Ohio Member No.: 7,486 Region Association: None |
As the title says- can the oil filter housing on a -4 be removed with the engine in the car. At least without major difficulty.
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bandjoey |
Aug 21 2013, 01:44 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
A little trouble but doable. See pelican parts tech artic with pictures on changing oil cooler seals and U can see how the filter base comes out.
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type47 |
Aug 21 2013, 01:46 PM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Do you mean the intermediate flange that the oil filter mounts on?
If you are, then no you can't remove it easily with the engine in the car. It'd save time to remove the engine due to the items that must be removed from the engine to get to the top nut holding the flange (front engine tin, fan, fan housing with alternator, oil cooler). Just been through this ... Attached image(s) |
tornik550 |
Aug 21 2013, 01:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,248 Joined: 29-January 07 From: Ohio Member No.: 7,486 Region Association: None |
Yes- I am talking about the intermediate flange.
I suppose I should change my question to- is there a good way to plug the filter bypass valve without removing the engine? |
McMark |
Aug 21 2013, 02:09 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Not really.
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type47 |
Aug 21 2013, 03:06 PM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Yes- I am talking about the intermediate flange. I suppose I should change my question to- is there a good way to plug the filter bypass valve without removing the engine? I just bit the bullet and dropped the engine. Again, I think there is not a good way to easily plug the filter bypass valve without removing the engine. I had a friend install a plug he basically custom machined to fit (thanks Root). see page 10: https://pcapotomac.org/attachments/article/...ugustdV2013.pdf |
stugray |
Aug 21 2013, 05:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
Maybe a better question is:
"is it possible to remove the oil filter and plug the relief hole without removing the intermediate flange?" Stu |
stugray |
Aug 21 2013, 06:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
Here is a pic:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i366.photobucket.com-10819-1377129833.1.jpg) You can see the pressed in valve "seat" that has the ball valve behind it. If you were to pull that out, the resulting hole appears to be ~.72" The "Boss" around that hole is ~1" I think you could pull out the seat and tap that hole to 3/4" Add a plug and youre done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) maybe? I would try it with the spare just for grins, but I dont want to ruin one just for the experiment. However I did try to see how much pressure it takes to open the valve but the pressure is so low it would be hard to test. I am guessing well below 10 PSI. Stu |
tornik550 |
Aug 21 2013, 06:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,248 Joined: 29-January 07 From: Ohio Member No.: 7,486 Region Association: None |
Here is a pic: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i366.photobucket.com-10819-1377129833.1.jpg) You can see the pressed in valve "seat" that has the ball valve behind it. If you were to pull that out, the resulting hole appears to be ~.72" The "Boss" around that hole is ~1" I think you could pull out the seat and tap that hole to 3/4" Add a plug and youre done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) maybe? I would try it with the spare just for grins, but I dont want to ruin one just for the experiment. However I did try to see how much pressure it takes to open the valve but the pressure is so low it would be hard to test. I am guessing well below 10 PSI. Stu I'll let you know in a few days if it works cause I just tried it. Worst case scenario- it doesn't work and I have to mount a new intermediate plate. I filled the bypass hole with JB weld- then found a plug that was slightly oversized and then pounded it in. I coated the edges of the plug with JB weld. It is very firmly in place. |
stugray |
Aug 28 2013, 08:16 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
Based on this thread, it is definitely possible:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=218024 Based on the pictures there, you do not even need to loosen the oil cooler. Thanks sean_v8_914! Stu |
Cap'n Krusty |
Aug 28 2013, 08:49 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
I think I tried it once, and I think I ended up removing the engine. Look, TWO thoughts, both related, in one day! Pretty good, huh?
The Cap'n |
tornik550 |
Aug 28 2013, 09:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,248 Joined: 29-January 07 From: Ohio Member No.: 7,486 Region Association: None |
I just did the repair with my engine in the car. I removed the shroud and oil cooler. Took 2 hours. Now it appears there is an easier way.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Aug 28 2013, 09:46 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
I just did the repair with my engine in the car. I removed the shroud and oil cooler. Took 2 hours. Now it appears there is an easier way. Trust me, I've never had even the most remote interest in removing the fan shroud with the engine in the car, even when I was young and limber. To me, that seems like the hardest of all possible hard ways ......................... The Cap'n |
r_towle |
Aug 28 2013, 10:50 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,585 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
If you are trying to get away with the least amount of effort here, you can just "drop" the engine and then remove the front fan shroud and tin...
Still a PITA and in my opinion, not worth the effort considering all that is left is the axles and shifter. I actually drop the motor for valve adjustments....just cause its easier to do ...... rich |
stugray |
Aug 28 2013, 11:29 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
QUOTE If you are trying to get away with the least amount of effort here, you can just "drop" the engine and then remove the front fan shroud and tin... based on the pics from the thread linked above, you do not have to remove the shroud. The pics show that you can get to the upper bolt on the intermediate flange without issue. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-3541-1377583166_thumb.jpg) Stu |
Drums66 |
Aug 28 2013, 11:41 AM
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914 Rudiments Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region |
....If &'s or but's candy & nut's(save your knuckle's) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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toadman |
Aug 28 2013, 12:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 5,316 |
This past winter I changed the oil cooler and seals with the engine in the car. I did not have to remove the fan shroud. In the process I did have to remove the oil filter mount. It was not an easy or quick job but, even for a non-mechanic like me, it is possible. I got most of my information from a 10 or 12-step procedure that Clay Perrine outlined in a thread here on 914World Garage. I did have to make a few mid-course adjustments but it is definitely doable.
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tornik550 |
Aug 28 2013, 01:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,248 Joined: 29-January 07 From: Ohio Member No.: 7,486 Region Association: None |
Unfortunately, I did not realize that I didn't have to remove the shroud. However, it really wasnt that difficult.
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