Just soliciting ideas - tired of my /6 smell. Options

[patssle]

My car is pretty smelly and it's rather annoying as I like to daily drive. The engine (3.0L with Webers) is probably in need of a rebuild, thus burning oil, and there are no cats. Even though I did the /6 conversion myself I'm not really interested in doing a full engine rebuild myself. Paying somebody 10k minimum doesn't excite me either.

I've always had a dream of building an electric car but that's $$$. You can also buy a brand new LS3 engine for less than 8k. I could always sell my complete 3.0L along with the /6 conversion parts to fund a different engine project.

Just playing around with ideas. I might not do anything at all and just deal with it. Any thoughts?

[Bruce Hinds]

Well, it all depends on what you want.

The big 6 and the V8 are two different animals. Both are wonderful, but they are different driving experiences.

You may be able to deal with fixing a bunch of leaks for a lot less then doing the conversion or rebuilding the 6 . . ..

Good Luck.

[porschetub]

My car is pretty smelly and it's rather annoying as I like to daily drive. The engine (3.0L with Webers) is probably in need of a rebuild, thus burning oil, and there are no cats. Even though I did the /6 conversion myself I'm not really interested in doing a full engine rebuild myself. Paying somebody 10k minimum doesn't excite me either.

I've always had a dream of building an electric car but that's $$$. You can also buy a brand new LS3 engine for less than 8k. I could always sell my complete 3.0L along with the /6 conversion parts to fund a different engine project.

Just playing around with ideas. I might not do anything at all and just deal with it. Any thoughts?

Pelican is the best resource for an engine rebuilt ,its not that hard,lots of members on there have rebuilt engines with little or few skills,the internet has enough info besides,many on here have good knowledge of these motors.
The 3.0 is a great engine IMO and is a great choice out of the six's,you may just need a top overhaul which isn't crazy money,really depends on your attachment to a Porsche engine in a Porsche car really and its value if you sell.
If your car is a daily driver you would be more than a little disappointed with an electric conversion over the 3.0 six.
What is actually wrong with your current engine?,sometimes there are solutions that may give you a little more life from it for not a huge outlay.

[siverson]

If you do pursue the V8 route, you'd probably be better off selling your car as-is and starting over (or buying a completed V8 car).

-Steve

[thelogo]

[quote name='patssle' date='Dec 8 2015, 07:09 PM' post='22749



I like to daily drive.]












Word is ( this site ) a 1.7 with stock d- j e t

Can be world's best daily driver



But nobody shoehorn s a six out and goes back to the 4


Audi turbo 4 I'm sure doesn't smell and we'll behave

As much fun as a /6

Not sure

The 914 with the mazdarati engine
Now that looked fun

[PThompson509]

Pelican is the best resource for an engine rebuilt ,its not that hard,lots of members on there have rebuilt engines with little or few skills,the internet has enough info besides,many on here have good knowledge of these motors.
The 3.0 is a great engine IMO and is a great choice out of the six's,you may just need a top overhaul which isn't crazy money,really depends on your attachment to a Porsche engine in a Porsche car really and its value if you sell.
If your car is a daily driver you would be more than a little disappointed with an electric conversion over the 3.0 six.
What is actually wrong with your current engine?,sometimes there are solutions that may give you a little more life from it for not a huge outlay.

Agree that Pelican has amazing resources, and that you can do really well just overhauling the 3.0.

However, I respectfully disagree with the point about the electric conversion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Only problem is the cost of the conversion and the range (I've got 70 mile range at freeway speed). Makes it tough to do the Porsche runs. *shrug*

Cheers!

[GeorgeRud]

Is the smell oil or fuel? The Webers will certainly smell much more than a fuel injection system as they're vented to the air (especially with today's fuels). You may want to consider converting to a fuel injection system and sell the Webers to help offset the cost of the conversion. I personally would recommend keeping the Porsche engine in the car.

[mepstein]

Sell the 3.0, drop in a stock 3.2. Weekend swap. Sell the 3.0 with carbs for $5K, buy the 3.2 for 8K. Even with extras your in it for less than $5K total and you have an engine that does everything well.

[porschetub]

You may be able to deal with fixing a bunch of leaks for a lot less then doing the conversion or rebuilding the 6 . . ..

Good Luck.
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There are so many area's on these motors that are a source of oil leaks,rocker covers,oil return tubes,front and rear seals,thermostat, oil pressure switch to name a few,unless you have a lot of oil smoke under throttle you would need to sort the leaks first to gauge true oil consumption.
I have read articles on Pelican concerning people using the wrong grade of oil and having smoking issues....not just on start up.

[matthepcat]

I agree with mepstein. Go 3.2...what do you have to loose other than money?

Going water-cooled conversion would be better to start with a car than has been cut up for it already.


Matt

[dflesburg]

sell it and buy something else...

[patssle]

Good feedback! There is a lot of info out there on engine rebuilds. I'm just wary from watching all the videos how many parts there are and my luck I would miss something. Especially since I've never touched an engine before - I would have no idea what I'm looking at and if it's in good condition or not. I need to do a leakdown/compression test to see what the general health is - I've been under the impression the engine has pretty good mileage on it.

Electric conversions are as good as the money you throw at it as range is directly related to battery storage. Which can add up very quickly in dollars if you want a legitimate range (which is partly why Tesla is so expensive with their battery packs).

Where are you guys seeing 3.2 engines for sale? I was looking through Pelican the other day and not many engines in general are available.

[billh1963]

Good feedback! There is a lot of info out there on engine rebuilds. I'm just wary from watching all the videos how many parts there are and my luck I would miss something. Especially since I've never touched an engine before - I would have no idea what I'm looking at and if it's in good condition or not. I need to do a leakdown/compression test to see what the general health is - I've been under the impression the engine has pretty good mileage on it.

Electric conversions are as good as the money you throw at it as range is directly related to battery storage. Which can add up very quickly in dollars if you want a legitimate range (which is partly why Tesla is so expensive with their battery packs).

Where are you guys seeing 3.2 engines for sale? I was looking through Pelican the other day and not many engines in general are available.

There's one on Pelican at the moment (that I am looking at buying) and a few on ebay

[mepstein]

Good feedback! There is a lot of info out there on engine rebuilds. I'm just wary from watching all the videos how many parts there are and my luck I would miss something. Especially since I've never touched an engine before - I would have no idea what I'm looking at and if it's in good condition or not. I need to do a leakdown/compression test to see what the general health is - I've been under the impression the engine has pretty good mileage on it.

Electric conversions are as good as the money you throw at it as range is directly related to battery storage. Which can add up very quickly in dollars if you want a legitimate range (which is partly why Tesla is so expensive with their battery packs).

Where are you guys seeing 3.2 engines for sale? I was looking through Pelican the other day and not many engines in general are available.

You have to place a wtb -
WTB complete 3.2 in very good running condition. Don't need he's or exhaust. Have up to $xxx to spend for the right engine. Have cash and no bs. Please contact me at. Xxx

Trust me, if your patient, it works. And the bonus is you are generally not in competition with other buyers.

[billh1963]

Good feedback! There is a lot of info out there on engine rebuilds. I'm just wary from watching all the videos how many parts there are and my luck I would miss something. Especially since I've never touched an engine before - I would have no idea what I'm looking at and if it's in good condition or not. I need to do a leakdown/compression test to see what the general health is - I've been under the impression the engine has pretty good mileage on it.

Electric conversions are as good as the money you throw at it as range is directly related to battery storage. Which can add up very quickly in dollars if you want a legitimate range (which is partly why Tesla is so expensive with their battery packs).

Where are you guys seeing 3.2 engines for sale? I was looking through Pelican the other day and not many engines in general are available.

You have to place a wtb -
WTB complete 3.2 in very good running condition. Don't need he's or exhaust. Have up to $xxx to spend for the right engine. Have cash and no bs. Please contact me at. Xxx

Trust me, if your patient, it works. And the bonus is you are generally not in competition with other buyers.

And, if you want to stick with a 3.0 (a little less money) you can always buy another one and sell yours. Your total out of pocket wouldn't be all that bad.

[patssle]

Cool thanks! Of course buying another used engine can bring it all full circle - eventually sooner or later that engine will need a rebuild too.

[billh1963]

Cool thanks! Of course buying another used engine can bring it all full circle - eventually sooner or later that engine will need a rebuild too.

Well, they all will if you use them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[Cracker]

This comment is too funny and often repeated ad nauseam regarding swaps. I have seen so many 914's with what appears to be roughly 25% of the metal cut away for restoration and repair - are you kidding me about the conversion cutting? Its absolutely minimal. With that logic, no one would be restoring them - just let them rot away.

If I were you, I'd go to a 3.6 but even that wouldn't been as flexible or compliant as a nice LS motor. Just stop already with the lousy excuses over cutting cars. Hilarious it is...

You have to determine if this car is your's for the long run...if so, those aircooled motors will be taking your money (forever). If you got it, no problem, you can feed the beast.

The cost would be subtsantial to do a nice LS - basically a 15-20K deal to do it nicely - just keep that in mind. It takes a bit of time too. Go for the 3.6 - 3.2 would be my second choice (if I were you).

Tony

I agree with mepstein. Go 3.2...what do you have to loose other than money?

Going water-cooled conversion would be better to start with a car than has been cut up for it already.


Matt

[bretth]

I can't wait until my car smells like a six. Sounds like a perfume.

Brett

[Luke M]

My car is pretty smelly and it's rather annoying as I like to daily drive. The engine (3.0L with Webers) is probably in need of a rebuild, thus burning oil, and there are no cats. Even though I did the /6 conversion myself I'm not really interested in doing a full engine rebuild myself. Paying somebody 10k minimum doesn't excite me either.

I've always had a dream of building an electric car but that's $$$. You can also buy a brand new LS3 engine for less than 8k. I could always sell my complete 3.0L along with the /6 conversion parts to fund a different engine project.

Just playing around with ideas. I might not do anything at all and just deal with it. Any thoughts?

I'm currently rebuilding my brothers 3.0 6. It was suppose to be a simple broken head stud repair and it was pretty easy until one broke off almost plush with the case. Off to the machine shop it went at that point. One thing led to another and that turned into a bottom end job as it went on. Good thing too because the rod bearing on # 5 was on it's way out. I also found some metal chunks floating around the oil passage ports. The list goes on. I'm going to say it's a pretty straight forward and a task that anyone with some mechanical know how can do.
This would be my 4 th 911 engine that I've rebuild. It requires some special tools but nothing that can't be purchased used if need be.

I would recommend this if you're not up to the task. Go to Pelican parts and look up Bruce ( Flat6pac ) he's been rebuilding 911 engines for as long as I can recall.
I've known Bruce since the mid 80's and is a stand up guy. I believe he rebuilt a 3.2 for a member here ( cairo ? ) not long ago so you maybe able to get his input on dealing with him. If you choose to go that route. Bruce also has a fresh 3.0 for sale that he may do a swap and cash with you on. It's worth a shot to check it out.

I'm telling you by the time you do your own rebuild you will spend more then what you would think. The parts alone so far on my brothers build is well over $4000.00 which includes new pistons/reman cylinders, redone heads, cams/rockers, bearings, seal kit, rod/head stud hardware, etc etc.. and there's more parts to be had before it's all over and done with. Then factor in the machine shop work which is not included in that $4000.00..All that with you doing the work. If you had to pay a shop to do the work figure another $ 3000 + in labor. you get my point by now. It's not cheap by any means.