 What is this and can I replace it???, It got caught in a little fire. |
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| Dr. Roger |
 Apr 5 2005, 12:46 AM
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A bat out of hell.  Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California  |
Can anyone tell what it is and how much needs replacing?
Seems like there were more wires coming out of it at one time. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) It's getting a V8 and no injection system FYI. This is exactly how I got it.... Hmmmm, looks like I missed a great get together in so cal... As soon as Bebe gets her new heart and legs she'll be my new commuter car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) I wanna' go out and play!!!! Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| mk114 |
Apr 5 2005, 12:52 AM
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LOST in NO space (my garage) Group: Members Posts: 330 Joined: 29-March 05 From: Salt Lake Utah Member No.: 3,835 |
it looks like a fuel injection unit I think I have and extra
Was it on the drivers side mouted near the fire walll |
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| mightyohm |
Apr 5 2005, 01:00 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,277 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 162 Region Association: Pacific Northwest  |
It's called a relay board. It powers the stock EFI system and the voltage regulator for the stock alt. It also passes thru some wires for stuff like the oil pressure sender etc.
You won't need 90% of it for a V8 conversion. But I don't know exactly which 10% you do need. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| mrihop |
Apr 5 2005, 01:06 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Pahrump, NV Member No.: 3,068 Region Association: None |
You don't need the relay board at all. Throw it away if it's burned up, or sell it cheap to someone in the club, then grind off the posts in the engine bay as well as all the other little brackets that will no longer have any components mounting to. I hope those wires in the foreground of the picture are not part of the main harness...it will be fun putting that back together.
Renegade has a wiring harness available that you just hook up the parts to your engine and plug the other end into the factory plug. It doesn't get any easier than that! The oil pressure, water temp, and ac (if you have any of these) have a seperate plug sticking out that you route to your gauges and ac controls seperately. |
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| Dr. Roger |
Apr 5 2005, 01:20 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Hi Ian,
So do you mean that Renegades harness will plug directly into the 15 or so pin connector coming out from the firewall bypassing this piece of s*&% relay board altogether? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) (Note to self. 914 club really is a one stop resource shop.) Thanks!! |
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| mrihop |
Apr 5 2005, 11:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Pahrump, NV Member No.: 3,068 Region Association: None |
Yes! I just ran out and took this picture for you. Attached image(s) 
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| bondo |
Apr 5 2005, 11:42 AM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
Make sure you poke around with a meter first.. that meltdown was probably caused by a short somewhere.. make sure all of the wires connected to that board are not connected to each other if they shouldn't be. You don't want that happening again. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
(whatever melted down those wires could also have melted wires elsewhere but not as bad, so look for that too) |
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| Dr. Roger |
Apr 5 2005, 12:27 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Mr Ihop, It looks like the connector in the pic is not the 15 pin connector. Is this a pic of the Renegade connector hooked to something else? Ohyea, and the wires that are all burnt up are that comes out of the relay board. |
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| skline |
Apr 5 2005, 12:48 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
They do have the harness that plugs right in, its about $190.00 as I remember. I passed on it and wired it myself. I am really a CSOB.
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| mrihop |
Apr 5 2005, 12:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Pahrump, NV Member No.: 3,068 Region Association: None |
I don't know how many pins the connector is...but that's the main harness that comes around and plugs into the relay board in a factory setup. Then the other end of the relay board is the factory engine harness.
The Renegade harness bypasses the relay board and plugs right into the factory harness. You dont need the factory engine harness either. As you can see in my picture, I connected the factory plug and the Renegade plug in the same general area where the factory relay board used to go, and I grinded off the posts that hold the relay board on. I think I paid $195 for the harness + shipping. I'm not a very good electriction, and I didn't want to trace through every connection, so $200 was cheap. It was Plug-and-Play and much better quality than I could produce! I got a diagram with it to know what colors go where. If you want the experts, spend 5 minutes one the phone with one at Renegade: 1-866-498-2421. |
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| Root_Werks |
Apr 5 2005, 02:21 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,331 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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Shameless plug/hijack:
I just pulled the relay board and engine 12 pin harnes, the harnes that has the wires for the starter, coil, tach ect. $50 shipped and there both yours. Both are in nice shape. Plug/hijack over. |
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| mrihop |
Apr 5 2005, 02:36 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Pahrump, NV Member No.: 3,068 Region Association: None |
That's a good deal. Porsche wants $50 per plug or something. |
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| Dr. Roger |
Apr 5 2005, 05:04 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Yea' Im a cheap SOB myself but whenit comes to reliability and not knowing the condition/reliability of used electronics I think i'm going to go Renegade. Thanks for all the suggestions. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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| jgiroux67 |
Apr 5 2005, 05:13 PM
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Guitar Shredder Group: Members Posts: 593 Joined: 4-June 04 From: Turlock, CA Member No.: 2,157 |
I'm gonna go with carbs on my 2.0 so will I need the relay board?
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| Aaron Cox |
Apr 5 2005, 05:19 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
yes.... wheer is your fuel pump? you can jack one of the switched 12v from the relay board.... your alternator plugs into the relay board as does voltage regulator etc.... |
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| mightyohm |
Apr 5 2005, 05:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,277 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 162 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Do you have an externally regulated alternator?
Do you have an oil pressure gauge? A points/coil ignition or an ignition using the stock engine wiring harness? Do you have a heater blower? Do you intend to use it? If you answered yes to any of these questions you MIGHT need a relay board. (in my best Jeff Foxworthy voice) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| Dr. Roger |
Apr 5 2005, 06:31 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Does this mean the Renegade harness does not supply power for the alternator or other things i might need for a V8 conversion? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) |
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| mightyohm |
Apr 5 2005, 06:44 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,277 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 162 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Not necessarily. If you have an internally regulated alternator (all V8s) you don't need the voltage reg and you can tie directly to the battery. The Renegade kit bypasses the relay board and I am assuming it still lets you run an oil pressure sender etc but thru their harness instead of the stock relay board. I don't know what they do about the heater blower and fuel pump.
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| mrihop |
Apr 6 2005, 05:14 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Pahrump, NV Member No.: 3,068 Region Association: None |
The Renegade harness has one wire that goes to your alternator and another to your starter post. Everything is set for generating power! Nothing else to worry about. It is set up for the oil pressure dummy light. The harness also simply hooks up to the fuel pump. The harness accomodates the oil pressure sender and water temp sender, but you need to wire those up to your new gauges seperately. |
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| Dr. Roger |
Apr 6 2005, 09:32 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
oh hell yea'. the game is on. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif)
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