 Ebay 914 Scammer Charged, But they talk bad about the 914 |
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| cdmcse |
 Apr 16 2005, 09:24 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Georgetown, Ky Member No.: 3,305  |
Wonder what car this was???
Ebay Scammer The 914 gets no respect... "You can't call a (1972 Porsche 914) a collectible because they were mass- produced," Williams said. "Something like this gives eBay and the car industry a bad name. Porsche has had a tremendous problem with (Internet) brokers." |
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| Allan |
Apr 16 2005, 09:28 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
This is good.
Made in Germany, new Porsches range in price from $40,000 up to $500,000, depending on models and optional features. Yum. |
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| Mueller |
Apr 16 2005, 09:32 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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what an A-hole that Williams guy is.......I hope he lists a "regular" 911 as a collectible, then turn him in for "fraud", hahaha the other 2 people need to be taken out to a field and dealt with accordingly (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Apr 16 2005, 09:33 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Someone should tell that moron Porsche dealer that 914s were hand built...not like those faggy plastic water pumping POShits he sells now....typical Florida weaseldick...bet he voted absentee and they shredded his vote.....
But hey...I could be wrong..... GET THIS.... Steve Williams, general manager of Porsche of Naples, the only Porsche dealer in Southwest Florida, said his dealership sells used cars on eBay, but they include many photographs and a complete car history. "You can't call a (1972 Porsche 914) a collectible because they were mass- produced," Williams said. "Something like this gives eBay and the car industry a bad name. Porsche has had a tremendous problem with (Internet) brokers." Porsche Club member Gary Karnes of Naples said those who want to buy a Porsche prefer dealing with a club member or a dealership because they can see what they're getting. "The 914s were kind of on the lower end in price at the time, but those prices sound extremely low to me," Karnes said. "What they could have received was a pile of junk." |
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| 914fire |
Apr 16 2005, 09:53 PM
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Captain Dave E7 Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 7-April 05 From: MO Member No.: 3,886 |
bet Karnes opinion of 914s is that they're not porsches at all but just VWs with lockwashers.....prick... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif)
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| Hammy |
Apr 16 2005, 10:02 PM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
Screw what Williams says... German is German to me. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
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| GWN7 |
Apr 16 2005, 10:25 PM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
I wonder if one of them was that Bumble Bee car that was listed? I think it sold for about that price .
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| cdmcse |
Apr 16 2005, 10:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Georgetown, Ky Member No.: 3,305 |
One of the Florida 914clubers should go there to look at new porsches, asking for that guy of course, the proceed to talk about how great the 914s are compared to the modern cars. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/finger.gif)
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| JeffBowlsby |
Apr 16 2005, 11:51 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,533 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Well now isnt this interesting...
Occasional poster Dave Hastings has had his hands on several 914 LE cars... Here is the most recent one...Craig thsi is the same car that you saw in Pano... Bumblebee 14787 Rouser met Dave once...ripped the car he had FS pretty good too....Sounds like a few displeased customers caught up with Dave and his Mrs. Moral: Be truthful about what you have for sale and don't exaggerate... Attached image(s) 
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| Brad Roberts |
Apr 17 2005, 10:16 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
I know the lady who owned that car while it was in Texas. She bought it from a guy on the east coast.. who bought it from a "guy" in Tenn (who happens to sell a lot of LE's).. I remember it clearly. She brought it to my Texas shop and I told her it wasnt a real LE. She had bought from a me a very original Ravenna green car a year or so before locating this heap. It had a ton of rust in the passenger side frame rail. All of the people on the BBS who attended the 1999 MUSR met her. A 18 wheeler hit her in the door on the way to the event (while driving the Ravenna green car)
I forget her name... we called her "Antenna Lady" because she had a MR2 with 15+ HAM radio antenna's hanging off it. She also worked with Lyressa's mom at Blue Cross/Blue Shield in Irving, TX. Small world. B |
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| Steve |
Apr 17 2005, 12:11 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,613 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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All of us know that any 914 that is in good condition and not a rust bucket is a collectable.
Sad to say since the 914 was a cheap car not to many people took care of them over the years. Good news is there is not to many left that are in good condition which will drive the price up. Hopefully this will cause people to take better care of them and or restore them. |
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| MecGen |
Apr 17 2005, 12:37 PM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
I bought the autotrader this morning...
64 Valliant 4 door 6k 81 El Camino 14k 72 Pontiac Parisian Convertable 12k I'm gonna ask 20K then....Clubs are the only way to buy a hobbie thanx for the heads up, I buy lots of tools on Ebay, so far, so good. Found a couple Ford 60pin Bob... Later... Joe (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) |
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| baldhippie1 |
Apr 30 2005, 04:57 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Sunny Fla Member No.: 3,521 |
Thanks for all your support... Facts: Sold a 72 custom job to a "Fruit" cop. Sent before and after pics, offered to have 3 state troopers I personally know inspect the car for him-declined. Sent 25 emails during restoration, had my mechanic drive the car 600 miles on a flat bed for $150. Declined the car, his wife did not like it, sent refund check via fed ex with tracking number provided. He charged back his credit card (fully refunded) resold the car for $3200 two weeks later (who chargedback and fully paid and still has my car) and was charge with the crime... Another 72 sold weeks later, buyer flew into Tampa drove 900 miles to NC and sends me email 2 months later stating the "car is not drivable" and wants refund. Starts chargeback proceedings (gets fully refunded) and still has the car. WHO GOT SCAMMED??? Can you say "wrongful prosecution" or civil lawsuit?... Moral: Stay the Hell of Ebay!!!! I would like to know who "Rouser" is since he has met me.... |
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| CptTripps |
Apr 30 2005, 06:43 AM
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:: Punch and Pie :: Group: Members Posts: 3,584 Joined: 26-December 04 From: Mentor, OH Member No.: 3,342 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
....here we go...
::: grabbing Lawn-Chair to watch ::: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) |
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| orange914jeff |
Apr 30 2005, 07:16 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Crossville, Tennessee Member No.: 3,531 |
It is easy to find the P of Naples website. I did. If you drill down, the 914 is listed as a Classic Porsche along with 356, 959, 911 Turbo, 924, 928 plus Racing vehivles where I did not look. I sent a nice (maybe not so nice) email to sales asking Mr. Williams to clarify his 914 comment. I had to give my land address and email address along with my times available for test driving ( i put TODAY). Message indicated as sent.
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| IronHillRestorations |
Apr 30 2005, 07:40 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,731 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Sorry Mikey, but our beloved 914's were not "hand built" any more than VW's were. |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Apr 30 2005, 07:46 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,731 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Elaine Cerney is her name, very enthusiastic 914'er for many years, IIRC she won the tech session quiz that year. Not 100% on this, but I think she got that so called LE from a independent Porsche shop in Knoxville. I know the name of the guy and the shop, but I'm not sure on the facts so I'm not posting it. |
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| Joe Bob |
Apr 30 2005, 08:48 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Pass the Cazadores..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) |
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| LvSteveH |
Apr 30 2005, 11:09 AM
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I put the Poor in Porsche Group: Members Posts: 1,080 Joined: 22-April 03 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 600 |
Seems more like a case for civil court to me. Misunderstandings or even unintentional misrepresentations do not constitute criminal activity. Regardless of what happened, it seems wrong to post a story and mug shots in the local paper based on accusations. In theory, something like this could happen to any of us who have ever sold a car.
I try to over disclose when I'm selling a car and assume the buyer may not know what to look for, so I show them the strong and weak points and how the price was arrived at. |
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| Joe Bob |
Apr 30 2005, 11:40 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
So how do you account for the fenderwell discrepancies and other oddball items if not attributtal to human error? |
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