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| tat2dphreak |
 May 5 2005, 09:16 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya  Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region   |
ok, I did the passenger side floor pan today after I got off work, before sundown(need more lights in the garage), removed all the tar(about 2 1/2 hours, a heat gun and a putty knife)
there is some funky "glue" looking stuff under the tar paper... what gets this off? aircraft paint stripper did nothing to it... there is a little rust along the horizontal support... where the tar met the weld... the area is very small, and doesn't extend "up" onto the cross piece... how should I fix this? I'm thinking of rust killer, and then weld in a little angle-piece for extra support... is this ok, or do I need to cut all of this and weld in a new piece ? here are a few pics, there are more in the BLOG, please give me your opinions... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115347793.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115347780.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115347837.jpg) yes, I finally started to use the BLOG as my progress documentation... I have been assimilated... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/assimilate.gif) |
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| xsboost90 |
May 5 2005, 09:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 2-August 04 From: cincinnati Member No.: 2,432 |
ahhhhh! flassh backkkkssss! Try a little torch and scraper action on that glue.
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| RON S. |
May 6 2005, 05:03 AM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
OUCHHHHHHHH (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)
BTDT!!!!!! Flash back is soooo right for me also. You get a smiley for that one (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Gint |
May 6 2005, 07:13 AM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
That rust looks a little nasty to me. Do yourself a favor (it won't seem like it at first, but you'll thank me later) and start digging into that rust with a grinder a large 4" wire brush. Dig in there good and hard. Get it all out and then post some pics. You'll probably find that it extends further than you think. Get it all out and then repair it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif)
That glue is a royal PITA. I let the acid dipo take care of it on my tub. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 07:25 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
yea, I was thinking of getting in there with a grinder around all the edges, then seeing where I am... last thing I want to do is to have to go BACK! I'm not acid dipping the tub... it's not getting a piant job yet... this is just search and destroy for rust... |
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| dakotaewing |
May 6 2005, 07:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,160 Joined: 8-July 03 From: DeSoto, Tx Member No.: 897 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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Wayne,
I am in the same situation with my car... While you are at it, it is time to clean out the center tunnel. Dont pass the oppurtunity to do it now - you will be amazed at how much crap is in there - use a shop vac! As far as the glue goes, it take a combination of things... Angle grinder w/4" cup brush, acetone, Por -15 cleaner, Por-15 metal ready, angle grinder with 4" cup... You get the idea - Thom |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 07:45 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
yea, I should have done the center tunnel last year before installing the new engine... I had planning on the car beconming a driving-resto, but that didn't happen...
other than the front and rear access panels(which I don't have covers for (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) ) what is the best way to get in there? also, can the fuel lines be changed with the engine in? I figure while I'm in there... may as well. I'll also change the accel and clutch cables and fix any broke cable holds... on the drivers side... does the pedal cluster need to be removed to get all the shitty tar up? I had a 30 minute discussion with my wife last night... even she can't understand why they would put something semi-porus down as a protectant... knowing rust could occur... I just said "well, they weren't thinking 30 years ahead, I guess" although I really only see rust on the one edge... so, I'm not complaining... I've heard the stories of pulling up the tar and the metal coming too... in rust flakes |
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| Verruckt |
May 6 2005, 07:54 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 716 Joined: 14-July 04 From: Midwest Member No.: 2,348 |
I have your thread bookmarked, im in the same boat as you. Getting ready to replace my floorpans hopefully this next week.
Not to steal your thunder here, but when welding in the new pans, do you just stich weld every so often, or weld all the way around??? I'm jumping the gun a bit, I still have to get my tar up at the seams first. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) My center tunnel looks good on the outside, but I will probably find some nastiness on the inside hidden away. Will need to invest in some metal ready and POR15. I already have the wire brushes in anticipation. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 08:00 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
personally, I sport weld and get it like I want, and then go back with a full bead... maby not the right way, I don't know... I'm also taking a welding class presently, to get to know these things better... |
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| spare time toys |
May 6 2005, 08:10 AM
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hooked on grilling food. Group: Members Posts: 4,059 Joined: 3-April 04 From: West Plano Tx Member No.: 1,884 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Where are you doing the class at? Do they teach tig? I was hoping to pick that up at work but one of the guys zapped himself good when he touched the electrode to the tip (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) so they went back to just the one old guy doing it. |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 08:21 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
it's in Garland, at the continuing ed program at the HS... they do not teach TIG though... check Collin county community college or one of the other Comm. colleges, someone told me they DO teach TIG and a lot more... this is a basics/refresher class I'm in... I took welding classes in HS, (Ag/FFA) but that was 12 years ago... and we only had 1 MIG in my little po-dunk school... so I always got a lot more stick practice... if stick could weld on thin stuff... I would be all set... but alas, it doesn't do well on 18 ga. *sigh* |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 02:23 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
is tar under the pedal cluster?
if I have to remove the pedal cluster, perhaps I need to call on my good friend Eric Shea... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) while it's out... |
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| gklinger |
May 6 2005, 02:33 PM
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doh! Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Tempe, AZ Member No.: 146 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I don't see how. I just did mine with the engine out, and that was a PITA. I redid them with stainless tubing and needed WAY more room than you'd have with the engine in. If you're gonna do it, drop it...
Nope. The pedal board does, but you oughta take the cluster out anyway. Never know what might be lurking under there... |
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| SirAndy |
May 6 2005, 03:02 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
is that what i think it is ???? ( a rusted through center tunnel ) ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) Andy Attached image(s) 
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| dakotaewing |
May 6 2005, 03:10 PM
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Wayne, I removed EVERYTHING in my tunnel, and then stuck a shop vac in where the shifter bolts down, and then went in on the front end with the pedal cluster and all the cables removed. It's a lot more work, but its is a lot easier to get it cleaned out - TE |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 03:12 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
no, it looks like that in the pic, but there's no rust there... I think that is where the tar is torn... |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 03:14 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
ok, the only thing I didn't do was take the cables out... I vaccuumed once in there already... pretty clean... |
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| dakotaewing |
May 6 2005, 03:16 PM
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Did you put any Metal ready or other rust converter in there? What I stated was just the Cleanup, not any of the preventative maintenance - (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) TE |
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 03:18 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
no, it will get the OSPHO treatment with everything else... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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| tat2dphreak |
May 6 2005, 07:21 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
ok, I worked on the "back" part of the passenger floor pan... not looking great back there, but not terrible... both seat hinge spots are rusted, the PO welded one side of the seat rail brackets down, so THAT wasn't good...
I did grind along the edge of the spot I found yesterday... it is solid right up to the edge... so there's SOME good news... but I want to fix it right... the back side of that metal piece had some surface rust, but it brushed up good... I am going to get a different brush attachment... right now I am using a 2" brush on my drill... I am going to get one for the angle grinder... I hadn't realized that the center tunnel had tar paper on as well...so that isn't going to be fun... what do you guys think about turning on a halogen lamp and leave it pointing at the center tunnel for a few hours to warm that stuff up good... safe? anyway, more pics from the blog: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115428219.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115428115.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115428173.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1115428229.jpg) btw, the blog is a great workaround for posting multiple pics!! thanks admins! |
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